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Old 04-01-2011, 08:14 AM
 
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http://www.michigan.gov/documents/dn...p_324708_7.pdf

I know we were discussing wild swine.

I happened upon this.

Thought others might enjoy the information.
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Old 04-01-2011, 04:27 PM
 
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Interesting, I had no idea they were in the U.P. let alone my area of the U.P.
Thanks for posting.
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Old 04-01-2011, 06:14 PM
 
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Ted Nugent is trying to convince Rick Snyder that the hunting rules should be loosened up in Michigan. Rocker Ted Nugent tells Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder: Lift rules on hunting | Detroit Free Press | freep.com (http://www.freep.com/article/20110401/NEWS06/104010369/Rocker-Ted-Nugent-tells-Michigan-Gov-Rick-Snyder-Lift-rules-hunting?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s - broken link)

Mr. Nugent owns a private hunting reserve in Jackson that, among other activities, hosts wild boar hunts and claims that the state exagerates the threat of escaped wild pigs.

Does Uncle Ted have a point or are feral hogs that escape from private preserves a possible menace to Michigan?
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Old 04-02-2011, 07:05 AM
 
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Problem is sightings and killings are probably not showing the growth that is happening behind the scenes, supporting people like Ted who want to downplay the threat. Then some critical breeding mass is reached and boom! They seem everywhere and everyone wants to blame DNR and govt for not doing more, conveniently forgetting that they poo poo'd the threat earlier. And who's going to pay for the damage once the hogs out of the bag? (Not Ted)

The consequences are just too damn high to be wrong. Agriculture is arguably the most important business Michigan has. Feral hogs really hurt agriculture. And once they are out there off the hunt farms (gross) they are super hard to control. Getting loose is a given.

Why is it so hard for human beings to learn lessons and take experience right in front of your face?
"Oh we can grow these exotic fish on fish farms, they won't get loose". "Oh we can breed these snakes for pets, they won't be a problem" I mean the list goes on and on.
How stupid are we?

The south is overrun and its over. No amount of hunting is ever going to make a dent down there.
I'm not sure how you can underplay the threat.
The wild boars imported into Michigan hunting camps are Siberian, northern Russian hairy mammouth beasts and quite adapted to the cold.

Texas LA et al. are already overrun with feral hogs doing millions of dollars of damage a year. Why can't Ted stay down there where its already moot instead of oh no - we must ruin Michigan too.
Is Ted paying for this? Is Ted a farmer? Ted is 1 guy whose opinion is no more correct or important than mine. What's this bs about going direct to the governor? Did he give the gov money for his campaign? Does the gov owe Ted? Is this how we get screwed? Why not let DNR do its job? F*** Ted.
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Old 04-03-2011, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Boyne Country
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You can probably double the "killings" from what that map says. Many have been shot and not reported to the DNR.

I've seen them come into my treestand baitpile ('07), probably a 200lb'er or better. He would have been one of the "killed" on that map but I couldnt even see my sights. Made for an interesting walk out of the woods that night.
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Old 05-10-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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the wolves will control boar numbers in the UP.....as for the lower peninsula....hunt hunt hunt.........
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Old 05-10-2011, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Boyne Country
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the wolves will control boar numbers in the UP.....as for the lower peninsula....hunt hunt hunt.........
Yeah, we need more wolves in the Lower. And thanx for giving the DNRE the idea.

Maybe they have already transplanted more wolves in the Lower for just this reason.
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Old 05-10-2011, 05:35 PM
 
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Feral hogs are a nuisance and should be controlled and/or eradicated. Feed the hungry.
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Old 05-10-2011, 10:15 PM
 
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first the hog numbers will explode but eventually they will stablize and an environmental equilibrium will be reached........nature will fit the hogs into whatever niche it sees fit.........its slowly happening with the pythons in south florida and has already happened with feral hogs in most of the south decades, if not hundreds of years ago (feral swine have roamed the south since at least desoto's time)
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Old 05-10-2011, 10:20 PM
 
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as the hog population in michigan grows, the big three (wolves, black bears and cougars) will serve as natural controls to a point. a hunting season/wild pork industry is inevitable and should be the biggest factor in keeping numbers in check.
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