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Old 04-16-2011, 01:44 PM
 
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As someone who "lives" next door in Wisconsin, Michigan's problem in attracting buisnesses and investment is not so much the business tax climate as it is onerous workers compensation costs and too much of a pro-unionization mentality.
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Old 04-17-2011, 11:58 AM
 
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yea, its those evil union's fault..........where's the eyeroll icon on this thing..........
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Old 04-18-2011, 03:48 PM
 
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Um, most new business...especially coveted high tech...isn't union. Back to your curds, cheesehead.
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Old 04-18-2011, 06:00 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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yea, its those evil union's fault..........where's the eyeroll icon on this thing..........
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Um, most new business...especially coveted high tech...isn't union. Back to your curds, cheesehead.
So do you both think that a pro-union environment is attractive to businesses?

Since you're so quick to criticize the person who feels the opposite, I will assume that you think businesses prefer heavily-unionized states. Which makes sense, because Michigan, Illinois, New York State, California, and New Jersey are leading our economic recovery right now....................
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Old 04-19-2011, 11:16 AM
 
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i prefer unions because most of my family attained a good standard of living through one or another (UAW mostly)



cue the "lazy overpaid autoworker" bitching......
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Old 04-19-2011, 06:03 PM
 
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It's not a war on unions. It's a war by unions on the people.

Unions have done enough damage. Time for them to go.
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Old 04-23-2011, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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It's not a war on unions. It's a war by unions on the people.

Unions have done enough damage. Time for them to go.
yep
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Old 04-23-2011, 07:42 AM
 
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Let's see, give corporations a tax break and at the same time take away from the most vulnerable [kids and seniors] so corps that already pay nothing or little can have even more in hopes that some crumbs will fall off the table so the masses can survive. Yep if that worked than what happened to all that bush tax cuts for his base? Where was all the job creation under bush and why did he leave Obama to worst economy the US has seen for 80 years? And how about that fiscal martial law snidely whiplash imposed, taking over beach fronts from Benton Harbor and shutting down schools for pregnant women in Detroit? Stripping the power form elected officials? Hmmm very nice and how is it republicans are not fascist? This has little to do with unions and more to do with consolidation of raw power to impost by dictatorial power what they other wise could not get past the people. As we see in Wisconsin the people are rising up and taking back their state. 4 months and the republicans have created a nation wide back lash, that has to be a record. I can only imagine what the people will think after a year. Republicans have reduced the people of states like Wisconsin and Michigan to hoping that the dictators are benevolent, did we not fight a war over 200 years ago to end this very sort of government? Maybe we have to again. This is why the tea baggers are bringing in 300 protesters where they once brought in 3000, and the Koch brothers have to bus in people to counter protest in Wisconsin. This is why shots of liquor have to be giving to get enough signatures in Wisconsin to recall Democratic legislators. This is the New improved fascist republican party in all its glory, sit back and we will do what needs to be done because we know better than the people. Democracy only works when it goes the way the fascist republicans see fit, other than that the people have no rights. This will not stand and it is the best thing that could have ever happened to the Democrat base as we see the fire and outrage building.
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Old 04-23-2011, 08:19 AM
 
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No let's look nationally at what the tea bagger nation is proposing, Ryan of Wisconsin is proposing taking taxes for the rich to levels not seen since before the great depression, dismantling Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security to a voucher system that will not be enough money to cover costs of insurance that does not even exist nor do insurance company's want due to the likelihood of the elderly using it.[the reason it was created in the first place.] It was Wall Street and the deregulation that caused the housing meltdown in the first place, the same corporations that want to privatize profits and socialize losses, and Ryan wants to also give more subsidies to the poor struggling to survive Oil company's. This is the grand plan of the Right, give to the benevolent dictator till it hurts. If they had their way we would all have pictures of the glorious leader hanging from our wall like North Korea and be afraid not to praise him twice a day for fear of reprisal. These are the same people who said that under bush if we took down the tax rate for the wealthy we would see a boom in job creation, really? Still looking, and under Clinton he raised taxes and created one of the largest job creation cycles we have ever seen. You see if you leave it to a dictator to be benevolent they often will just wall them selfs in a posh gated community and let the little people die in the streets. That is until the people come to gates of the winter palace or Versailles then its off with their heads. Its clear that the vast majority of people do not like the path to destruction Ryan proposes as the polls show 65-68 percent of Americans including Republicans do not want to support a bloated military while cutting help for seniors and children. It is a plan for the return of the robber barons of the late nineteenth century. When you worked for the company, lived in company housing, were paid in company script and shopped in the company store and if you even had a thought of joining a union you were beaten and then thrown out of the only job around and blacklisted. Republicans have always used this Fascist tactic. McCarthy used it to great affect by calling or even the threat of calling someone a Community's to keep them in line or destroy them. So much for Freedom and the Republican party. In four months though people from all over are standing up and fighting this dictatorship. It was the single most helpful thing to get Obama re-elected that any group could have done. Look what happened to Ryan when he went back to his district and was shouted down and booed for trying to sell that same old crap that tax cuts for the wealthy are really good for the lower and middle class. The lie that the rich already pay too much in tax is just that a lie. People like Hannity say that the tax rate for the wealthy is 50 percent, but that is another misdirection, because it does not take into account all the loop holes and tax shelters that the rich exploit and only pay that 50 percent on a very small amount of their income. The single mom who pays 20 percent on her hole income pays a larger percent of her total income than most if not all of the wealthy. The rich have exploited the poor because they know that there can be no rich without many poor people to support them. This is not surprising, but what is hard to understand is how the people who them selfs have much to gain by national health care, or social security or Medicare are many times the ones who vote against their own interests. I understand that there are many in the tea bagger movement that are just racist and would vote their children thrown into a fire pit if it meant that the black guy was ousted from office. But that aside there are many who have bought into the lie that they too can become the next billionaire. This is like telling your kid that they can be the next Brad Pitt if they work hard enough or the next Patton Manning if they just practice hard enough. Really? You may as well think that you can solve all your problems by just buying more lotto tickets. Its a fools errand and for every one that makes it millions do not. This is not a system to create social justice for all, its a crap game that is tilted toward the house. And non of us here are part of the house including all those deluded Republicans that think they are part of the club. You may be allowed to carry the water for the club members but you are not part of nor ever will be part of the club.
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Old 04-23-2011, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Ocqueoc, MI - Extreme N.E. Lower Peninsula
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Wow, that's some rant...and some very difficult reading. For the complete lack of paragraph breaks, and for the content. Do you truly believe all of this, or did you just get caught up in the writing?
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