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Old 05-27-2011, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Doesn't end at Flint and Detroit, as one who live in the Lansing area I just discovered the city also made the list at number 25. Yikes.
The Most Dangerous Cities In America
1 Flint, MI 2,208
2 Detroit, MI 1,887
3 St Louis, MO 1,747
4 New Haven, CT 1,584
5 Memphis, TN 1,539
6 Oakland, CA 1,530
7 Little Rock,AR 1,522
8 Baltimore, MD 1,455
9 Rockford, IL 1,453
10 Stockton, CA 1,381
11 Buffalo, NY 1,357
12 Springfield, MA 1,354
13 Cleveland, OH 1,296
14 Hartford, CT 1,293
15 Washington, DC 1,241
16 Springfield, IL 1,237
17 Philadelphia. PA 1,189
18 Lowell, MA 1,156
19 Richmond, CA 1,134
20 St Petersburg, FL 1,132
21 Nashville, TN 1,128
22 Kansas City, MO 1,126
23 Miami, FL 1,108
24 Lansing, MI 1,101
25 Elizabeth, NJ 1,100
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Old 05-27-2011, 04:05 PM
 
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Apathy and election of idiot politicians and abandonment by businesses that employed many folks.
The latter came before the former.
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Old 05-27-2011, 05:05 PM
 
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Apathy and election of idiot politicians and abandonment by businesses that employed many folks.
When Saginaw laid off a good number of its police....its violent crime rate went into orbit. When it found funding for more police.....the rate dropped. When Flint laid off between 40 and 6 police officers.....the crime rate sky rocketed too. Detroit used to have about 70 murder per 100,000 residents in the late 80's during the crack epidemic. Now there rate is at 30 something per 100,000 residents or about 40 something base upon census population counts. Its also worth noting that these two cities have been among the hardest hit in this economic crisis and have long suffered from divestment of industry.

Its easy to be a brilliant politician when you have a city full of middle class people, with jobs in the city, with a tax base and the like. Show me a great mayor and I will show you a mayor that was made great by a solid middle class and business class within the city. Take any of those great mayors and have them run a city like Detroit and Flint and they will look like idiots as well. Its like being a teacher in the inner city vs being a teacher in the suburb. There is no comparison in regards to the difficulty of the task. There are teachers will failing students in the inner-city that are actually better than many teachers in the suburbs whose kids do well. Of course, when your kids fail it looks like the teachers are incompetent but often time the situation is not winable. The same is true for cities. The situation in Detroit and Flint are not winable with only the powers of the mayor. Maybe if the city could print money or have the federal reserve buy all the bonds it issues then it could prop up the city like the federal government does.

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Old 05-27-2011, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Here.
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How did Flint and Detroit become so violent?
Black people don't like each other.
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Old 05-27-2011, 07:11 PM
 
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And people outside of Flint and Detroit proper shouldn't get so cocky.

A good chunk of the state is ranked as the top 50 most dangerous areas in the country. In fact, only far W/NW lower and the upper peninsula weren't in the top 50.

http://www.cqpress.com/docs/Metro%20...gerous_14E.pdf
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Old 05-29-2011, 05:48 AM
 
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They can put as much money as they want into Detroit and until they fix the real problem it will never be a safe city. Flint use to be a nice city same thing has happened. stop the handouts and educate them on real trades and get them working. Yes, I know that right now it is difficult but this time could be used to teach a skill or trade so is things bounce back they are ready. getting lifelong families off the Gov tit is the way to go.
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Old 05-29-2011, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Pure Michigan!
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They can put as much money as they want into Detroit and until they fix the real problem it will never be a safe city. Flint use to be a nice city same thing has happened. stop the handouts and educate them on real trades and get them working. Yes, I know that right now it is difficult but this time could be used to teach a skill or trade so is things bounce back they are ready. getting lifelong families off the Gov tit is the way to go.
Well, that would go a long way towards fixing the problem, but what about the fact that a lot of them have no desire to work at a legitimate job and would never go along with setting the alarm clock and getting up and going to a regular job like the rest of us, only to make payments on a middle class car, when they can deal drugs and pay cash for an Escalade? The underlying problem is a completely moral one, and how do you fix that, other than to take the kids away from their parents when they are two days old and let them be raised by responsible people with morals who will teach them right from wrong? They have to not want to kill someone because it is fundamentally wrong, and making them work at jobs won't correct the problem of no morals and no sense of right and wrong. That's a parent's job, and the parents aren't doing it, obviously. Why aren't kids in Troy and Canton killing each other for their $1,200 sunglasses or because of a bad drug debt? Not that the parents in those places are perfect, but in most cases, at least they care. And it doesn't take a lot of money to instill a sense of right and wrong, just time and caring enough to do it.
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Old 05-29-2011, 06:08 AM
 
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Detroit has a generational Soviet style welfare state problem along with being very anti business, as much of the state of Michigan is. Not a problem that will be solved overnight or even in my lifetime. And then add Kwame on the Potomac into the mix and you have a recipe for disaster. Soon much of our nation will look like Detroit.
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Old 05-29-2011, 06:13 AM
 
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Well, that would go a long way towards fixing the problem, but what about the fact that a lot of them have no desire to work at a legitimate job and would never go along with setting the alarm clock and getting up and going to a regular job like the rest of us, only to make payments on a middle class car, when they can deal drugs and pay cash for an Escalade? The underlying problem is a completely moral one, and how do you fix that, other than to take the kids away from their parents when they are two days old and let them be raised by responsible people with morals who will teach them right from wrong? They have to not want to kill someone because it is fundamentally wrong, and making them work at jobs won't correct the problem of no morals and no sense of right and wrong. That's a parent's job, and the parents aren't doing it, obviously. Why aren't kids in Troy and Canton killing each other for their $1,200 sunglasses or because of a bad drug debt? Not that the parents in those places are perfect, but in most cases, at least they care. And it doesn't take a lot of money to instill a sense of right and wrong, just time and caring enough to do it.
Well kick them off all assistance after x amount of time of being trained for a skill etc. If they want to deal drugs after that at least it is not on the tax payers dime. And YES taking the kids away from the deadbeats would be helpful as they are a source of income to those adults who wish to live like this and a lot of times nothing more than a paycheck too!
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Old 05-29-2011, 06:17 AM
 
Location: SE Michigan
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There is a program in Flint right now - I can't recall what it's called - where through some sort of grant money and government funding, "at risk" teens are being taught trades, computing, things like that. I think it's great and hope it gets some of these kids employed and useful.

Other than small programs like that, I am not sure what else the city can do...canudigit is right. The problems run very deep and are beyond the scope of what the city can tackle. Especially since Flint is teetering on bankruptcy. There is a huge class of folks who have little understanding or will or ability to become responsible and employed, or avoid crime, gangs and drugs. I volunteer with an agency that works with "at-risk" families and kids and while it does a marvelous job of helping some people, the majority are basically beyond help and the best we can do is find various types of government aid for them so they don't end up homeless.

If uneducated, unemployed, drug-using people could be persuaded to stop breeding for a decade or so, that would help. It's the little kids that break my heart. Bright, willing, curious, smart little kids and I look at them and figure the majority will lose the smarts and innocence and curiosity and end up like their parents, in jail, or dead by 20. All because their parents don't have the skills and tools to raise them right. It starts with the parents...and their parents, and so on.
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