[michmoldman]

Originally Posted by allbusiness

We humans are so short sighted. The planet will take pretty good care of itself--with or without us pesky inhabitants. :-)

Just wait for the twenty-year cycle. It'll be colder than usual and everyone will claim global cooling again.

And, as usual, some people will make a pretty good income off grants, books and other fear mongering when the time comes.

I would be waaay more scared of running out of oil then I would climate change.

[Dave Wojo]

George Carlin went on many a rant about man's ability, or lack thereof, to truly hurt the planet. But, my favorite was his take on plastic.

"The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we’re gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, ’cause that’s what it does. It’s a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it’s true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn’t share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn’t know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, “Why are we here?” Plastic…a$$hole."

[mackinac81]

Originally posted by michmoldman
Not in my lifetime...but if it does, I'm heading for Vancouver.

Why stop at vancouver? I'd high tail it to the Yukon.

[darstar]

Places like Greenland and the Ice flows and islands in far north Canada. Its getting warmer, thats a fact.!

[MI-IRISH]

The planet wil do as it wants to do,we as humans retain an arrogant view that the planet cares we're here...it doesn't,the universe will do as it pleases,like it or not,we are very miniscule creatures in the greater scheme of things,very minute,in fact. the planet has warmed and cooled,shifted and swayed for billions of years,and will continue to do so,wether we like it or not,to believe it doesn't,is just plain lunacy...

[michigan83]

Originally Posted by MI-IRISH

The planet wil do as it wants to do,we as humans retain an arrogant view that the planet cares we're here...it doesn't,the universe will do as it pleases,like it or not,we are very miniscule creatures in the greater scheme of things,very minute,in fact. the planet has warmed and cooled,shifted and swayed for billions of years,and will continue to do so,wether we like it or not,to believe it doesn't,is just plain lunacy...

Amen!

[michsnowlvr]

LOL the Global Warmingistas have REALLY outdone themselves with this one. Its one thing when they want to broadbrush everything and be vague, but when an article actually tries to "predict" actual weather for a certain location, those of us who davel in past weather data lick our chops when we can prove how foolish and totally unrealistic those predictions are.

Whats funny about the Chicago story though is that it reminds me SO much of an article I read back in the late 1990s about the "future" climate of Michigan and what global warming was going to do to the state. The article that I read some 12-13 years ago had the comparison that by the mid 21st century, southern Michigan winters would resemble present-day Kentucky and southern MI summers would resemble present-day Alabama/Georgia. It talked about how quickly summers would start to heat up on the way to these Georgia-like summers in the next 50 years (much like this arcticle implied Chicago may go from seeing 15 or less 90F+ days to 70+ days per year)..and GUESS WHAT...the very next decade after this RIDICULOUS story came out we ended up seeing the LEAST amount of summer heat in almost a century!

Total 90F+ days per decade at Detroit, MI since 1900
1900s- 56
1910s- 107
1920s- 100
1930s- 169
1940s- 160
1950s- 154
1960s- 111
1970s- 119
1980s- 127
1990s- 123
2000s- 102

And what a hoot! Winters in MI would resemble Kentucky? LOL since that article was written....FIVE of Detroits TOP 12 SNOWIEST WINTERS IN THE LAST 131 YEARS have occurred since 2003!!!

What about average seasonal snowfall per decade? Is it snowing less now than when Grandpa was a kid? No. Its snowing MORE.

Detroit averages seasonal snowfall per decade since 1900
1900s- 46.3"
1910s- 39.7"
1920s- 46.1"
1930s- 32.9"
1940s- 27.6"
1950s- 37.8"
1960s- 31.8"
1970s- 45.6"
1980s- 45.2"
1990s- 37.2"
2000s- 45.3"

Its also comical that they talk about certain species of trees in Chicago not surviving. LOL, summers were WAY hotter in the 1930s-1950s than they are today in this region...if trees survived then why on earth would they not survive now?

In summation: the only trend that the first decade of the 21st century has brought to local weather in SE MI has been less heat in the summer and more snow in the winter. Sounds like things are going the wrong way for those desperately trying to paint an alarmingly warmer future!

[darstar]

Originally Posted by MI-IRISH

The planet wil do as it wants to do,we as humans retain an arrogant view that the planet cares we're here...it doesn't,the universe will do as it pleases,like it or not,we are very miniscule creatures in the greater scheme of things,very minute,in fact. the planet has warmed and cooled,shifted and swayed for billions of years,and will continue to do so,wether we like it or not,to believe it doesn't,is just plain lunacy...

Tell that to the poor folks that live in Northern Japan !. Tell that to the birds and animals that died from DDT. Tell that to the species no longer with us, mostly because of Man.
There is little doubt we are killing our Planet, and its not all Mother Nature's fault!

[darstar]

Originally Posted by michsnowlvr

LOL the Global Warmingistas have REALLY outdone themselves with this one. Its one thing when they want to broadbrush everything and be vague, but when an article actually tries to "predict" actual weather for a certain location, those of us who davel in past weather data lick our chops when we can prove how foolish and totally unrealistic those predictions are.

Whats funny about the Chicago story though is that it reminds me SO much of an article I read back in the late 1990s about the "future" climate of Michigan and what global warming was going to do to the state. The article that I read some 12-13 years ago had the comparison that by the mid 21st century, southern Michigan winters would resemble present-day Kentucky and southern MI summers would resemble present-day Alabama/Georgia. It talked about how quickly summers would start to heat up on the way to these Georgia-like summers in the next 50 years (much like this arcticle implied Chicago may go from seeing 15 or less 90F+ days to 70+ days per year)..and GUESS WHAT...the very next decade after this RIDICULOUS story came out we ended up seeing the LEAST amount of summer heat in almost a century!

Total 90F+ days per decade at Detroit, MI since 1900
1900s- 56
1910s- 107
1920s- 100
1930s- 169
1940s- 160
1950s- 154
1960s- 111
1970s- 119
1980s- 127
1990s- 123
2000s- 102

And what a hoot! Winters in MI would resemble Kentucky? LOL since that article was written....FIVE of Detroits TOP 12 SNOWIEST WINTERS IN THE LAST 131 YEARS have occurred since 2003!!!

What about average seasonal snowfall per decade? Is it snowing less now than when Grandpa was a kid? No. Its snowing MORE.

Detroit averages seasonal snowfall per decade since 1900
1900s- 46.3"
1910s- 39.7"
1920s- 46.1"
1930s- 32.9"
1940s- 27.6"
1950s- 37.8"
1960s- 31.8"
1970s- 45.6"
1980s- 45.2"
1990s- 37.2"
2000s- 45.3"

Its also comical that they talk about certain species of trees in Chicago not surviving. LOL, summers were WAY hotter in the 1930s-1950s than they are today in this region...if trees survived then why on earth would they not survive now?

In summation: the only trend that the first decade of the 21st century has brought to local weather in SE MI has been less heat in the summer and more snow in the winter. Sounds like things are going the wrong way for those desperately trying to paint an alarmingly warmer future!

Much of what you say can be the reverse. One of the reasons its now called climate change. Understanding our weather paterns is a somewhat new science
in the order of things. Those that have studyed the patterns also say some places will get colder others hotter.

[Giesela]

Originally Posted by MI-IRISH

The planet wil do as it wants to do,we as humans retain an arrogant view that the planet cares we're here...it doesn't,the universe will do as it pleases,like it or not,we are very miniscule creatures in the greater scheme of things,very minute,in fact. the planet has warmed and cooled,shifted and swayed for billions of years,and will continue to do so,wether we like it or not,to believe it doesn't,is just plain lunacy...

And if it changes to the point where it no longer supports human life, or maybe just human life worth living earth yess will still be here and continue to change. With or Without us.

So many experts and know it all's here I wonder why we have any problems at all!