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Old 06-26-2011, 11:09 PM
 
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So the rich puke sees Michigan is in trouble so out of the kindness of his heart he decided to run for the highest state office to fix the broken state. I don't think so there is/was a agenda behind it. Like a national office down the road.

Then the first step is to make sure bussiness gets a tax cut.
If the tax cut isn't big enough so you can hire another person then why should you get one? If the tax cut isn't big enough you can give your workers a pay raise then why should you get one? OH that money sure feels good in your pocket don't it? ever think of the elderly and kids it was robbed from?

50% of the people of the state doesn't like him statement isn't true either. Only about 28% of the people even vote in the state and the other 72 % could care less either way is why they don't vote, we get screwed by either party I've heard a million times.

I still am waiting to see the shared burden by the wealthy.
How does a tax cut rob money from the elderly and kids? Kids usually have no money, are not earning money so you can't rob them of their money. The elderly can be robbed only if they have money - but tax cuts generally help them.

A tax cut allows an individual or business to keep more of their own money. Taxes are what robs them.
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:31 AM
 
Location: State of Superior
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How does a tax cut rob money from the elderly and kids? Kids usually have no money, are not earning money so you can't rob them of their money. The elderly can be robbed only if they have money - but tax cuts generally help them.

A tax cut allows an individual or business to keep more of their own money. Taxes are what robs them.
Its all about degrees. At some point , the wealthly DO need to pay up ! We have one of the lowest tax rates in the world..... If you want total pay as you go, for all, get a national GST. And while we are at it, single payer health insurance....Everyone then is in the same boat. Its working in Canada, it can work here.... There will still be the need to help the needy, the poor, and the infirmed. Also , the infrastructure must be a National effort. private industry has proven they will not look out for the public interest, only the investors and the corporate officers, and , that is as it should be.
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Old 06-27-2011, 11:23 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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I think he has a cool haircut.
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Old 06-28-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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I'm sorry, I'm not a Michigander, but Michigan HAS to cut spending in EVERY area. When Detroit drops 237,493people from 2000 to 2010 you can't choose to spend more. That's unacceptable. Michigan was the ONLY state to go DOWN in population in 2010 census.

Michigan is in big trouble, and Governor Snyder is working his butt off to reverse the moronic policies implemented by BOTH major parties.

Something needs to change in Michigan, even if some important programs must be cut. It's too late to pick and choose which programs to cut. The state is bleeding to death, and it's sad to watch whether you are from Michigan, or if your an American looking on.

Michigan has been losing population since the early 1960s. State government spending SHOULD have been going down due to this. Why did Michigan have lower taxes in 1960 to support a larger population compared to today - government waste and spending excess at all levels.
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Old 06-29-2011, 06:56 AM
 
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Why did Michigan have lower taxes in 1960 to support a larger population compared to today - government waste and spending excess at all levels.
It didn't.

Michigan's population in 1960 was 8 million, today it's just under 10 million. So the population wasn't larger.

Michigan had lower taxes in 1960 because it was able to use property taxes on the Big 3 auto companies to pay for most of the expense of its schools and its government. And when the Big 3 dominated the automobile market, they simply passed the cost of the property taxes on to all US consumers.

As to government waste and spending excesses in 1960...the 1950's saw the expansion of the state school system, the increase in teachers salaries, increases in government sponsored health care for the elderly, and new taxes on things like telephones, telegraphs and leased lines.
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Old 08-02-2011, 08:19 AM
 
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Malcontents always look for ways to vent. I welcome the effort ... the recall will be tromped so soundly it will actually bolster his public standing.
Recall efforts a resounding failure - No Snyder Recall On November Ballot « CBS Detroit

No surprise.
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Old 08-02-2011, 05:39 PM
 
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Granholm should be prosecuted.
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Old 08-04-2011, 08:50 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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To hear all of the complaining and recall talk, you would think that Snyder took over a perfect state with a perfect economy and then ruined it. Or that he could have fixed our state by just simply handing out free bubblegum.
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Old 08-04-2011, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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The recall was a tiny effort that fizzled. A few extremists waving their arms around and trying to get attention. Such efforts go on all the time, however they rarely get so much media attention (usually none at all). Snyder seems to have really pissed off the media. Thus, they tries to blow the recall fizzle into a big deal by giving it a lot of attention, but it remained just a fizzle. As far as I know, they did nto get within 10% of the required signatures.

I was involved in a successful recall effort in California. It took an incredible amount of work. You have to get about 33% more signatures than the required amount because 1/3 of them will be rejected due to false names or addresses, people signing multiple petitions, people not registered to vote, illegible information. We got more than 200% of what we needed, but for a while we were afraid we would not make it becuase a huge percentage of the early petitions were invalid. However the later ones were much better and we made the ballot by a significant margin.

Anyway, they needed to get a whole lot more than the requried number of signatures to make it past verification, and they were not even close to teh required number.
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Old 08-05-2011, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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The recall effort isn't dead just didn't get enough signers by the dead line to make the November elections.
the whole story was not written in that link above.
The target set now is for the April election time frame.

5000 signed the petion during the Ann Arbor art fair which was not that long ago but to late to meet the dead line for the November election.

Leaders of the drive feel that once many return from summer vacations and outings to find out what they are going to pay for their children to be in a school band or on a pay to play sports team they will flock to the petions to sign, notto mention the bigger class sizes.
As more take overs of cities, counties and school districts happen even more will flock to the petion signings drives.

Maybe Michigan had some cracks it wasn't broken to where the burden to fix it rested on the backs of retirees and school funding and the big tax breaks to bussiness.


If you feel the state was broken to that point then you have every right not to sign the petion and have the right also to cast your vote for tricky ricky in the next exection he will be in.

The new dead line to meet is September 29th 2011. You can find signing locations on the net by googling fire rick synder, there are even forms to sign online by doing the same search.
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