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Old 07-13-2011, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Appears the the Voters in Wisconsin can.

Fake Democrats lose in Wis. primary recalls - Yahoo! News

Just may be a changeing of the guard there soon as voters learned is hasn't any thing to do with a balanced buget. After all they set up the fakes in recall elections that cost the state $450,000.
Gave huge tax breaks to bussiness like Menards who was doing nicly with out the tax breaks.
HUMMMMMMM sounds like Michigan.
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Old 07-13-2011, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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Appears the the Voters in Wisconsin can.

Fake Democrats lose in Wis. primary recalls - Yahoo! News

Just may be a changeing of the guard there soon as voters learned is hasn't any thing to do with a balanced buget. After all they set up the fakes in recall elections that cost the state $450,000.
Gave huge tax breaks to bussiness like Menards who was doing nicly with out the tax breaks.
HUMMMMMMM sounds like Michigan.
This really should go in the politics section of city-data, as it will undoubtedly be little about Michigan and more about partisan bickering.

I'd be happy to move it..
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Old 07-13-2011, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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I see no reason to move it. Lots of other post on politics here.

After all there is a recall push on Snyder going on in Michigan now. Over half the sigunters needed have been collected so far.
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Old 07-13-2011, 08:28 AM
 
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I see no reason to move it. Lots of other post on politics here.

After all there is a recall push on Snyder going on in Michigan now. Over half the sigunters needed have been collected so far.
Why do sore losers always just assume that they can undo a legal election where the people have spoken and the majority have chosen a candidate who was then declared the winner? This is how politicians have gotten elected since the very beginnings of our country, how arrogant to think that they can change the way things have been done for centuries just because their candidate lost. It won't matter anyway. Even if they do manage to get enough signatures, all of the signatures will have to be validated and that will take months, if not years, not to mention that there will be legal opposition to a band of rogues just trying to unseat a legally elected governor because they don't like him. Waaaahhhh....

Note to sore losers: the way that you get rid of a legally elected official is that you gather ACCURATE information that you think clearly shows why that person was not a good choice to lead our state, then you work hard to find a candidate that you feel is better prepared to do the job and you work tirelessly to get that person elected in the next official election for governor. You don't have the right to just "undo" the majority of the peoples' will. Trust me, I know. I am waiting patiently for that horse's ______ in the Whitehouse to be bounced out on his ineffective butt. It requires a lot of patience, but if someone is truly not getting the job done, people will see it and the election will tell the story. Oh, except for when Jen Granholm got reelected...that one defies all logic.
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Old 07-13-2011, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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I guess the premise that there are "fake" candidates on either side needs better defining. On what issues did they run? I read the article and it only said that he Republican Party put up Democrat candidates.
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Old 07-13-2011, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Loving life in Gaylord!
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Why do sore losers always just assume that they can undo a legal election where the people have spoken and the majority have chosen a candidate who was then declared the winner? This is how politicians have gotten elected since the very beginnings of our country, how arrogant to think that they can change the way things have been done for centuries just because their candidate lost. It won't matter anyway. Even if they do manage to get enough signatures, all of the signatures will have to be validated and that will take months, if not years, not to mention that there will be legal opposition to a band of rogues just trying to unseat a legally elected governor because they don't like him. Waaaahhhh....

Note to sore losers: the way that you get rid of a legally elected official is that you gather ACCURATE information that you think clearly shows why that person was not a good choice to lead our state, then you work hard to find a candidate that you feel is better prepared to do the job and you work tirelessly to get that person elected in the next official election for governor. You don't have the right to just "undo" the majority of the peoples' will. Trust me, I know. I am waiting patiently for that horse's ______ in the Whitehouse to be bounced out on his ineffective butt. It requires a lot of patience, but if someone is truly not getting the job done, people will see it and the election will tell the story. Oh, except for when Jen Granholm got reelected...that one defies all logic.
These people out collecting signatures are crazy!! Like you said....it wont matter anyways even if they do get enough, and they are out wasting all this time and effort for nothing. Actually, most are pissed at being taxed on pensions, and here they are out there spending all this money trying to get signatures.
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Old 07-14-2011, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Many may call it a bunch of sore losers but the fact is they are the ones who are using the law as it was written years ago. They are the ones not so blinded by the razzle dazzle of lies and promises.
They see the cutting of school funding so big businesses can get a tax cut with no promise they will use the tax cuts to make jobs or increase pay. They see is as a attack on seniors who live on a fixed income by the wealthy so they the wealthy can keep their posh life style while the seniors struggle more and more every day to make ends meet with the rising cost of food, health care and the drugs to survive.

They are not so blind that the so called shared burden was not shared at all except for those seniors, school districts, cities, villages and counties with increased taxes and funding cuts.
They are not blind to the fact the wealthy remain as they were, in fact many who own business get more money in their pocket be cause of a tax cut. Was never any language that says to get a tax cut a business has to meet cretin requirements to get the tax cut.
 
So call them whiners and losers if you wish they are doing what the law says they can do to remove from office a person they feel is not doing the job as they were elected to do.

As for the Wisconsin fakes if you really read the story you would have read that in each case the fake had ran for a office as a GOP party member or held office as a GOP party member in the past.
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Old 07-14-2011, 08:54 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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They see the cutting of school funding so big businesses can get a tax cut with no promise they will use the tax cuts to make jobs or increase pay.
The day that we force businesses to make promises to hire people (whether they need to or not) is the day that we officially give up on our American ideal of economic freedom.

When did we become so risk averse as a people? We need a guarantee that businesses will hire people? This is why I hate all of the talk from politicians about "creating jobs." Jobs are the result of a robust economy. You don't create the jobs first just for the sake of creating them.

Businesses will hire people if it means that they will make more profit as a result of the hiring (either immediately or in the future). That is the only reason that a business should ever hire people. Whether it is Wal-Mart or Pop's Hardware Store.

Improving the business environment with the expectation that jobs will most likely be created (with ZERO guarantees) is the only proper way to manage the economy. Anything else is a sham and will do more harm than good. Even if it is not evident to the untrained eye.
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Old 07-14-2011, 10:29 AM
 
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The anti Snyder name callers are getting desperate. 'Rich puke' huh?
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Old 07-14-2011, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Sparta, TN
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It still means that a given minority is trying to overturn a valid election. I find it wrong and feel that "recall efforts" should not be allowed unless there's a violation of the law.

I'd argue that school funding increases have gotten out of control. The state was running a budget deficit and could no longer afford to continue to constantly increase funding. Teachers getting step increases of 5% every year when the private sector is facing layoffs and wage freezes combined with benefit packages that exceed the private sector on average demanded reform. In addition to the state funding, local millage increases were happening way to often. The population seems to think that the more money given to the schools the better the outcome which just isn't true. It also seems unfair that these millage votes simply occur until they're approved. Where's the shared burden with respect to this? Home owners pay a much larger share of the taxes than renters and have to pay even if they don't have children.

Anybody receiving benefits from the state in the time of huge budget deficits should feel lucky to be receiving anything.

The reduction of business taxes was to encourage businesses to stay and/or move here. The state will receive more money from having more people employed rather than having to provide money to the unemployed. It's not a matter of taking money from one group and giving it to another. Both of these actions are good for the state.

As for the WI fakes, this was just another attempt to overturn an election and as stated before -- it's wrong. In the WI case though, it was done in response to the Democrats doing Republican recall efforts -- a tit for tat thing. The Democrats were definitely wrong in WI - from running out of the state, legislating from the bench, and the leading of a recall effort. They lost an election and then went ape ****.


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Originally Posted by Trail twister View Post
Many may call it a bunch of sore losers but the fact is they are the ones who are using the law as it was written years ago. They are the ones not so blinded by the razzle dazzle of lies and promises.
They see the cutting of school funding so big businesses can get a tax cut with no promise they will use the tax cuts to make jobs or increase pay. They see is as a attack on seniors who live on a fixed income by the wealthy so they the wealthy can keep their posh life style while the seniors struggle more and more every day to make ends meet with the rising cost of food, health care and the drugs to survive.

They are not so blind that the so called shared burden was not shared at all except for those seniors, school districts, cities, villages and counties with increased taxes and funding cuts.
They are not blind to the fact the wealthy remain as they were, in fact many who own business get more money in their pocket be cause of a tax cut. Was never any language that says to get a tax cut a business has to meet cretin requirements to get the tax cut.
 
So call them whiners and losers if you wish they are doing what the law says they can do to remove from office a person they feel is not doing the job as they were elected to do.

As for the Wisconsin fakes if you really read the story you would have read that in each case the fake had ran for a office as a GOP party member or held office as a GOP party member in the past.
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