[belleislerunner]

I drive a GMC Envoy and with 80K miles has been in the shop... Zero times...

Screw imports. Long live GM!

[michmoldman]

Nope...just the people who drive them

[Sgt. Buzzcut]

Originally Posted by Walterhook

Why would you buy a domestic car when the Toyota's and Nissan's are much more reliable? I gave up on domestics and have been running a Toyota Camry for the last five years. I get good millage, and it has been in to the shop, let me get the number right,,,,,, ZERO times. I have over 100k on it with no wrenches on the running gear. Break pads and tires is it baby. SCREW the big three. If they made a product that was worth owning I may buy it but I do not see the value.

Probably should have had a timing belt replacement by now, but just keep driving it and beating your chest and pray it doesn't have an interference engine because if it does you'll have a 4000 lb boat anchor.

[kcam213]

Originally Posted by Bydand

I don't either, that is why I drive Ford, Chevy and Dodge.

The Ford has 135,000 miles and I've changed oil, and plugs. The last Ford had 198,000 miles and I had changed the alternator on it at 170,000 miles (along with oil and regular tune-ups), The Chevy had 280,000 when I sold it to someone who needed the extra size (it was a 3/4 ton Suburban), I had tuned it up a couple of times, changed the oil regularly, and put a few sets of tires on it. Yeah they cost me a fortune to keep on the road to (and beyond) 100,000 miles .

The Dodge I have is just a baby with only 52,000 on the odometer. I had to change a turn signal bulb once for $2 and change, guess it is on the way to driving me to the poor house as well.

We won't even talk about the Toyota with the new tranny at 38,000, or the Nissan with a blown rear-end at 50,000, or the Honda with a bad motor at less than 80,000. Yep, real reliable.

I guess it is an individual experience. My Dodge Ram had a little over 50,000 and had tranny problem, expensive exhaust problems and an engine light and ABS light that was on within 2 weeks of buying brand new from dealer.

My Honda Civic has more than 118,000 miles on it, no problems except light bulb burn out in the rear dome light, and oil changes, wipers, tires and brakes.
Never have I needed it towed, never has it not started.

When I bought the Civic, I was eligible for a Ram discount.... see above problems with the Dodge Ram for the reason I didn't sink another $28,000 on another lemon.

[ram2]

By the way, most of the gas available in the Metro Detroit area is made at the Marathon refinery in Detroit. Gas is gas, Different brands, just get different additives. Thus, the shell gas you buy probably came form the Marathon refinery with Shell additives. So you are usually buying locally made gas whether you intend to or not. It is impractical to ship gasoline long distances in large quantities.



Where does the imported oil come from that is used in the refining of gasoline?

[Coldjensens]

Originally Posted by ram2

By the way, most of the gas available in the Metro Detroit area is made at the Marathon refinery in Detroit. Gas is gas, Different brands, just get different additives. Thus, the shell gas you buy probably came form the Marathon refinery with Shell additives. So you are usually buying locally made gas whether you intend to or not. It is impractical to ship gasoline long distances in large quantities.



Where does the imported oil come from that is used in the refining of gasoline?

Crude oil comes from USA (Texas and Alaska primarily), Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and the middle east. Some might come from Russia, but I doubt it. However the posted comment was about gas, not about crude oil. Gasoline is made locally.

[Coldjensens]

IN response to the OP question. I just remembered. At my brothers work, the people who drive big 3 cars get to park in a lot that is closer to the factory. Foreign cars have to park in a lot that is far away and out of sight of the building. I thought that was funny.

[scorpio516]

Originally Posted by Coldjensens

Crude oil comes from USA (Texas and Alaska primarily), Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and the middle east. Some might come from Russia, but I doubt it. However the posted comment was about gas, not about crude oil. Gasoline is made locally.

The US imports 350,000,000 barrels of oil a month. Only 60,000,000 from the Middle east. 75,000,000 from Canada, 36.6 million from Mexico, 20.6 million from Russia, only 8 million from Brazil, and 500,000 from Argentina. The top two importers into the US are Canada and Mexico. 3 OPEC countries are next - Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and Nigeria. Then Russia to round out the top 6 (all told, that 225.7 million barrels a month). We mine 168.7 million barrels a month domestically. Just a nit to pick, we do get more from the Gulf than from under Texas (44m vs. 38.7m).

[Coldjensens]

Originally Posted by scorpio516

The US imports 350,000,000 barrels of oil a month. Only 60,000,000 from the Middle east. 75,000,000 from Canada, 36.6 million from Mexico, 20.6 million from Russia, only 8 million from Brazil, and 500,000 from Argentina. The top two importers into the US are Canada and Mexico. 3 OPEC countries are next - Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and Nigeria. Then Russia to round out the top 6 (all told, that 225.7 million barrels a month). We mine 168.7 million barrels a month domestically. Just a nit to pick, we do get more from the Gulf than from under Texas (44m vs. 38.7m).

Odd that we import from Russia when Russia does not have enough for themselves.

[Retroit]

Originally Posted by Coldjensens

Odd that we import from Russia when Russia does not have enough for themselves.

Maybe because they can sell it here for more than they could over there.