[darstar]

Originally Posted by ram2

It is the continual increase of taxes on the middle class that has lowered middle class take home pay.

Why didn't UAW members go on strike when the bosses lowered starting pay to $14 per hour?

Plain and simple, it is the Right wing ( Conservative Republican) agenda to eliminate the middle class in America, as we now know it. Until someone can provide/prove any actions that disprove what I have said, then fire away, However before you say anything, read what I have said carefully. Cause and effect is most definitely part of the answer.

[Luzette]

Originally Posted by detwahDJ

What's amazing to me is how forum posters love billionaires and their taxpayer subsidies and bailouts, but despise the lower "spoiled" working class and believe they are under-worked and overpaid. America has never been like this, except maybe in the 1920s (I wasn't there).
Here is part of the RTW mentality:
How lowering middle class wages, in the name of "competition", to third-world levels could possibly be good for our country is beyond me - but seems to be desirable by many. Third-world countries have detestable working conditions and no middle class to speak of.
Congressional repubs oppose all measures to bring outsourced jobs back to America, and get support from posters here. Is this forum loaded with plutocrats or what?

I sure agree with you about America never having been like this before. I wasn't here in the 1920s either, but I'm not a young person anymore either. I've never seen people who aren't millionaires and billionaires favor this group when most are in the average working class themselves. We've now got an uber rich class who feel that they are the only people worthy of consideration. They think others should work for the lowest wage possible while they themselves can't bare the thought of anything less than essentially everything.

[ram2]

Originally Posted by darstar

Plain and simple, it is the Right wing ( Conservative Republican) agenda to eliminate the middle class in America, as we now know it. Until someone can provide/prove any actions that disprove what I have said, then fire away, However before you say anything, read what I have said carefully. Cause and effect is most definitely part of the answer.

You do not think the middle class got hurt when LBJ raised middle class taxes to pay for his "Great Society" welfare programs?

[magellan]

The very pro-business publication Grand Rapids Business Journal paints a pretty interesting pictures of RTW and economic development. Not sounding so promising.

Economists look at right-to-work states for links to job growth | 2012-12-17 | Grand Rapids Business Journal

[detwahDJ]

Originally Posted by ram2

It is the continual increase of taxes on the middle class that has lowered middle class take home pay.

Why didn't UAW members go on strike when the bosses lowered starting pay to $14 per hour?

* OK, just to be clear, whom do you blame for these "increasing taxes"?
* You are saying that unions did not accept that starting pay rate?
What "news" organization gave you this information?

[detwahDJ]

Originally Posted by Luzette

I sure agree with you about America never having been like this before. I wasn't here in the 1920s either, but I'm not a young person anymore either. I've never seen people who aren't millionaires and billionaires favor this group when most are in the average working class themselves. We've now got an uber rich class who feel that they are the only people worthy of consideration. They think others should work for the lowest wage possible while they themselves can't bare the thought of anything less than essentially everything.

What you and I have described here is creeping plutocracy, and a gradual takeover of government by the uber rich over decades via their lobbying. Registered lobbyists in Washington for 2012 number 12,000 and their spending is $2.5 billion. How can Joe Lunchbox compete with this? What gets me is the forum support for this approach to governance.

This favoritism has always been with us to a degree, but trickle-down economics and Citizens United have put it on steroids, and now it seems the lower classes are having less and less control. In some cases, corporations are writing their own legislation and, under the radar, handing it over to accommodating congressmen.
Now RTW, which is backed by billionaires with certain governors in their pocket, seems to be part of the "grand plan". The idle oil-rich billionaire Koch Brothers, among others, have been using their money toward this for years. Whatever it takes to marginalize the lower working class - one small step at a time.
Selling RTW-for-less $$ as "job creation" rather than "customer creation" - no wonder some companies, who don't view their own employees as customers, like it.

[darstar]

Originally Posted by ram2

You do not think the middle class got hurt when LBJ raised middle class taxes to pay for his "Great Society" welfare programs?

Sorry , not the answer, only conjecture on your part, name specifically what part of LBJ's programs actually did what you say.

[ram2]

Originally Posted by detwahDJ

* OK, just to be clear, whom do you blame for these "increasing taxes"?

The politicians of all varieties.

[artisan4]

Originally Posted by detwahDJ

here is what's behind RTW.
It is Wall Street billionaire Koch Brothers and right-wing organizations like ALEC and including republicans, setting their sights on the democratic rust belt states, since they already have the low-information red states in the pocket.

The Ed Show

This

[darstar]

Originally Posted by artisan4

This

Agreed! but then, just about everyone who follows politics is aware of the evil Koch Bros. and their huge amounts of money, that, is so large that they can buy almost anyone.Too bad they lost big time this last election, sure cost them a lot, for little or no return......then, they can afford it, money buys a stronger, louder voice most anywhere.They always live to play another day.......