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Old 11-20-2013, 01:07 PM
 
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Check out the graphic for 2012 migration patterns:

Restless America: state-to-state migration in 2012 | vizynary

Assuming no catastrophic events I think equilibrium will hit in another 5 years. By then the outflow of new retirees (10,000 people hit 65 every day in this country) should be negated by the influx of new/existing jobs and those who hang around.
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Old 11-20-2013, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Somewhere extremely awesome
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Check out the graphic for 2012 migration patterns:

Restless America: state-to-state migration in 2012 | vizynary

Assuming no catastrophic events I think equilibrium will hit in another 5 years. By then the outflow of new retirees (10,000 people hit 65 every day in this country) should be negated by the influx of new/existing jobs and those who hang around.
Michigan is probably going to have net negative state-to-state migration for a while. I think it's been that way since the 1970s or so. It's just how things are for most northern states.

But there are ways to minimize the net negative.
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Old 11-20-2013, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Bliss Township, Michigan
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At the same time general population goes down, northern MI has a population increase.
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Old 11-20-2013, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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At the same time general population goes down, northern MI has a population increase.
They're not talking about population increases or decreases, they're talking about net domestic migration (how many people immigrate vs emigrate from an area). It's a stat that pretty much only statistic nerds and economists/demographers are interested in. Northern Michigan might be growing, but may be due to the numbers of babies being born vs people dying every year. Hard to tell because a lot of that info gets broken down by MSA's (metropolitan statistical areas), which Northern Michigan doesn't really have any.

Without making any statement of superiority or inferiority, Grand Rapids MSA and Holland MSA reached equilibrium in 2012 and actually both registered a net gain in domestic migration. So do any statements about the "State of Michigan" merit a "*" or a disclaimer that it doesn't necessarily reflect the state as a whole? It may seem like small beans but those two MSA's constitute more that 1.5 Million people of a 10 million people state.
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Old 11-23-2013, 02:14 PM
 
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Because it has extreme weather
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:11 PM
 
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I'll be leaving the state next year.... goodbye Michigan.
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Old 11-23-2013, 05:15 PM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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I don't see declining population as a negative. The only negative thing I can think of is that abandoned homes will need to be demolished eventually. Let those growing states deal with the water shortages, rush hour traffic jams, 20 lane highways, etc.
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Old 11-24-2013, 04:24 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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I don't see declining population as a negative. The only negative thing I can think of is that abandoned homes will need to be demolished eventually. Let those growing states deal with the water shortages, rush hour traffic jams, 20 lane highways, etc.
I am also OK with slow growth or no growth. Maybe we can work on maintaining the housing and infrastructure we have instead of building more. After doing some traveling through high-growth areas in the south during the fall, they can keep the congestion and sprawl that I saw down there. It was frustrating at times.
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Old 11-24-2013, 09:17 AM
 
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I don't see declining population as a negative. The only negative thing I can think of is that abandoned homes will need to be demolished eventually. Let those growing states deal with the water shortages, rush hour traffic jams, 20 lane highways, etc.
Exactly. I'm one who left but maybe if enough people leave, I'll go back.

Where I live now, if you see an empty field, you'd better take a look because it's soon going to be filled with a crowded housing subdivision and the traffic is horrendous. Construction is going on everywhere you look, highways are being widened and it's more concrete everywhere you look.
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Old 11-24-2013, 04:32 PM
 
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I don't see declining population as a negative. The only negative thing I can think of is that abandoned homes will need to be demolished eventually. Let those growing states deal with the water shortages, rush hour traffic jams, 20 lane highways, etc.
My thoughts exactly. In fact, Michigan was a lot nicer when we had half the population (same with the U.S. and the world). I just wish the U.S. would wise up and institute policies to curb population. It would be a long term process but we need to start sometime.
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