[Jswee]

Originally Posted by magellan

Much of those lead levels were due to lead based paint, which no one knew was harmful when it was created, and which has slowly dissipated as properties have changed hands and either homes repainted or lead paint encapsulated.

Kids who have been exposed to high lead levels DO have developmental disabilities.

This is a man made disaster, which only seems to be getting the proper response now that the burner is turned on boil. With how bad this is, it should be treated like a criminal investigation: EVERYONE is a suspect until they are ruled out.

Actually, most of those historic levels of lead in blood are attributed to the use of lead based gasoline, which caused a lot of environmental lead contamination. The levels have been dropping steadily as leaded gas was phased out. Yes, lead based paint is also an issue and guess what, it's still an issue in Flint, as well as the rest of Michigan. Seasonal increases in lead/blood levels are seen all over the state and are attributed to kids being outside more coming into contact with contaminated soils (like those in yards where houses were painted with LBP).



Again, how bad is this? You seem to know since you are making the judgement that it needs to be investigated criminally. So what are the real impacts that have been demonstrated to this point that would lead you to that conclusion?

How about in the other cities around Michigan where kids have higher elevated blood levels, do you want to launch criminal investigations there, too?

Bridge

[magellan]

Originally Posted by Jswee

Actually, most of those historic levels of lead in blood are attributed to the use of lead based gasoline, which caused a lot of environmental lead contamination. The levels have been dropping steadily as leaded gas was phased out. Yes, lead based paint is also an issue and guess what, it's still an issue in Flint, as well as the rest of Michigan. Seasonal increases in lead/blood levels are seen all over the state and are attributed to kids being outside more coming into contact with contaminated soils (like those in yards where houses were painted with LBP).



Again, how bad is this? You seem to know since you are making the judgement that it needs to be investigated criminally. So what are the real impacts that have been demonstrated to this point that would lead you to that conclusion?

How about in the other cities around Michigan where kids have higher elevated blood levels, do you want to launch criminal investigations there, too?

Bridge

Ha! I knew you were going to post that Bridge article eventually. That publication used to be good, but I think it got lost somewhere. I know some of the early funders of it but I think they've pulled their money. Sad too because I know there were high hopes for it when it launched. I think it's disgraceful that they're running this (and promoting the hell out of it on Facebook) to try and diminish what is going on in Flint.

I never said a criminal investigation should be launched, but apparently Michigan's Attorney General does. Re-read my post. I'm saying that something of this severity, it should be treated like a criminal investigation that everyone involved in the process should be a suspect until they can be ruled out.

You seem to be of the same mindset as Snyder, or should I say, Eeyore. Let's ...... wait.........until.........we.......can........get ........our.........arms.......around.......this.. ...............................................iss ue.....................

As I said, I'm actually proud of our Michigan media, especially Michigan Radio, and many Michigan residents for not letting this go. It's about time. I've come to realize there are individuals who will protect Snyder at all costs, no matter what he does.

[Republic of Michigan]

Sorry but people who work at Burger King get fired for less egregious actions. The bottom line is that the Governor put in place his administration and an Emergency Manager and is ultimately responsible for their actions. He even accepted responsibility. This is not some minor oversight. Bye Felecia.

[Jswee]

Originally Posted by Republic of Michigan

Sorry but people who work at Burger King get fired for less egregious actions. The bottom line is that the Governor put in place his administration and an Emergency Manager and is ultimately responsible for their actions. He even accepted responsibility. This is not some minor oversight. Bye Felecia.

Except that the Emergency Manager had nothing to do with the issues that occurred. What is it exactly that you think the emergency manager did?

[Mouldy Old Schmo]

Originally Posted by Mr. Analyst

He's a private citizen, not a government official or better yet, Super Man. What can he do? I wouldn't be surprised if he makes a documentary about this however, since that's his hometown.

Government doesn't have to be the first resort for resolving all problems. Citizens can band together and do great things, provided they have the money.
As for Moore, he could have started a soup kitchen, a job-training program, a community garden, or any number of things.

[magellan]

Originally Posted by Mouldy Old Schmo

Government doesn't have to be the first resort for resolving all problems. Citizens can band together and do great things, provided they have the money.
As for Moore, he could have started a soup kitchen, a job-training program, a community garden, or any number of things.

Michael Moore doesn't live in Flint and hasn't for quite a long time. He's actually done quite a bit for the community theater programs in his new hometown of Traverse City, Michigan. He's also fixing up several other historic theaters throughout Michigan.

[magellan]

Originally Posted by Jswee

Except that the Emergency Manager had nothing to do with the issues that occurred. What is it exactly that you think the emergency manager did?

Now you're just obfuscating Jswee. From 2013:

Flint City Council approves resolution to buy water from Karegnondi, state approval still needed | MLive.com

State treasury officials still must approve the city council's move because Flint has an emergency financial manager. All expenditures over $50,000 must be approved.

[magellan]

Even the Governor's own task force report lays the blame at the feet of MDEQ, the State's own agency:

http://flintwaterstudy.org/wp-conten...r-12-29-15.pdf

After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, city water supplies were deemed to be high value targets for terrorists and were added to the watch lists of the federal government. Knocking out a city's water supply could cripple an area's economy and greatly affect qualify of life for years or decades.

Yet, Flint's switch to the Flint River was met with indifference and neglect by Michigan environmental officials. They were more interested in saving money (emergency manager rule) and how little they could get away with, all under the management of the Governor's office.

[Republic of Michigan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCuhd1K6RRs

[Jswee]

Originally Posted by magellan

Now you're just obfuscating Jswee. From 2013:

Flint City Council approves resolution to buy water from Karegnondi, state approval still needed | MLive.com

State treasury officials still must approve the city council's move because Flint has an emergency financial manager. All expenditures over $50,000 must be approved.

You are the one who is obfuscating. The decision to join the KWA project was one that was made by the City of Flint and had been in the making for a long time. It was approved by the EM, as they had to sign off on spending actions but the idea was not initiated by the EM as some kind of a cost savings measure, as the media is claiming. Had the EM ignored the vote by the city council and rejected Flints decision to join the KWA project, Democrats would have been screaming bloody murder about local government being taken out of their hands and would have been calling for Snyders resignation then.

It's a somewhat moot point anyway, as the fundamental problem was not due to the temporary use of the Flint River as a water source, it was due to the fact that the water from the River was not adequately treated to prevent corrosion from causing lead leaching.