05-12-2016, 06:31 PM
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HI, me and my little retired family,
2 seniors, wanting to leave Eugene Oregon; cause our town is so packed, heavy traffic, big freeways, smog, am willing to brave tough weather.My Michigan friends say."The state is very empty.We have little towns, no jobs, but lots of space.We have water, and local crops." That sounds good to me, cause Oregon is drying up very badly, can't grow food any more, and no water any more.
We don't mind if the weather is cold; big deal.We just want to find doctors,clinics,near by medical care as we are old.We are wanting OUT of very crowded, gentrified town.Old fashioned towns and places in Michigan? Friendly? Sociable? How is the cost of living?It has become very bad in Oregon.How are the transportation systems in Michigan? How is the everyday pace of life?Yes, hows the cost of living, and how much would a little house run, for costs? Also, how hard is it, to get deals on foreclosures?
Excuse me for asking all this info.I will read all of other people's posts too. thanks, doo555, in Oregon
05-18-2016, 10:08 AM
Location: Grand Blanc
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Hi There. It's tough to give a direct answer to your question. There are many places that strike a balance of your wish list, it's just a matter of which way you want to lean.
First thing to mention for most of Michigan is there is very little public transportation. Unless you live in a more populated area or within walking distance to a downtown, you're going to need to own a car and do some driving.
Looking at medical facilities, there are some fantastic hospital systems in the area. The catch is that to be successful they need to be in more populated areas. Everywhere has Dr offices and the like, but if you want to be near hospitals, high end treatment centers, or any type of specialization you're going to also be living in a more heavily populated area. Or you'll need a car and be able to drive.
I would suggest researching on the Ann Arbor area. Ann Arbor has one of the best hospitals in the state, is very walkable, and has a lot of options for restaurants and activities. There are many rural areas within 15-20 minute drives to Ann Arbor that would have a little slower paced lifestyle and be less tense in terms of population. Dexter, Saline, Tecumseh, etc are some areas that are near Ann Arbor, have a nice down town, and are a little less populated. Take a look and see if that's what you're looking for. Depending on what you like/don't like I could make some further suggestions from there.
Hope that helps!
05-18-2016, 06:05 PM
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I agree about looking in the Ann Arbor vicinity. Ann Arbor has world class medical care because of the University of Michigan healthcare system and others, but there are so many safe, friendly, rural cornfield towns within 20-30 minutes where housing is affordable, especially if you are coming from Oregon.
Google Chelsea, Dexter, Milan, Dundee, Tecumseh, Saline, and Brighton, for starters. They are all very nice places to live without the bigger city vibe, yet a short drive to Ann Arbor and about 45 min. to an hour from Metro Detroit for major Metro amenities such as major league sports, big name concerts, etc. We live in one of these towns and we could literally leave our doors unlocked at night, that's how little crime we have. The people are nice and down to earth, and very civic minded. Lots of stuff to do in spite of the small town atmosphere; farmers' markets, festivals, etc.
05-18-2016, 08:34 PM
Location: Chicago
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Ann Arbor is not that different than Eugene, slightly smaller but culturally very similar. People have covered most of the towns around Ann Arbor that meet your requirements.
I'd suggest looking in the area near Kalamazoo, though. It is less built up on the whole and the city has two hospitals plus a medical school. Prices are lower out that way, too.
05-19-2016, 12:51 AM
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Actually, prices just outside of Ann Arbor are very reasonable, especially as compared to the inflated prices of the Pacific Northwest where the OP would be coming from. Some of these towns are more expensive than others (Saline, because it is more of a wealthy bedroom community right next to Ann Arbor), but if you google real estate in Tecumseh, for example, it is amazing what you can get for your money in such a quaint, safe, little town. If it wouldn't make my commute to work almost an hour, I would move to Tecumseh in a heartbeat, and I love the town where we live now. Tecumseh still retains its small town charm but has attracted some commuters from Ann Arbor because it is such a nice place to live and so relatively peaceful and quiet.
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Chelsea is also an adorable town with affordable real estate.
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Dundee is smaller than Tecumseh or Chelsea but equally charming and has affordable real estate as well.
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Any of these towns would probably fit the OP's criteria while still being a reasonable commute to excellent healthcare facilities and physicians.
05-19-2016, 06:30 AM
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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Teh West side of the state is prettier and less populated. Grand Rapids has good hospitals. You could try South Haven or Grand Haven, or any number of small towns inland. The added advantage is if you miss big city stuff, Chicago is a short drive away.
05-20-2016, 06:41 AM
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I love Ann Arbor as much as anyone has ever loved anywhere but for people looking to escape a gentrifying college town, it is maybe the worst suggestion imaginable
05-20-2016, 07:01 AM
Location: Midwest transplant
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The metro areas of Ann Arbor, Lansing, Grand Rapids and even Traverse City for many of the characteristics you are looking for. You will need to have a car and drive, if you want to give the car up, you're going to have to live closer to or in the city or on the bus routes (which others have mentioned do exist, however they are not fast, quick, regular and dependable like many larger cities).
Draw a circle around any of these towns with a 25-30 mile radius and you'll find some smaller communities that have walkable downtown areas, hometown events, county events and plenty to do, with the ease of getting to the major city for medical care, cultural events, courts, satellite offices for government agencies etc.
As for the cost of living~debatable as to what you're willing to give up. There still are some short sale and foreclosures available, they come with a long wait, lots of red tape and often are more fixer upper. (I know because we did this). Car insurance is WAY more expensive than any other state we've lived in, taxes are about the same as the last state we lived in, public pensions are taxed here (and not in many other states). Utilities are slightly less expensive, even though it requires more energy to heat homes during our winters, we don't use the AC as much as other states we've lived in. Gas for cars is cheaper some days and more expensive on other days~I've never seen such drastic price swings in a single day in any other state I've lived in or traveled to. If it's $2.19 a gallon at 8AM, it can be $2.45 by lunchtime. Our roads are, for the most part, in questionable condition and for some reason when they do repair, the work is often shoddy and the cycle continues. The highways are quick and efficient, speed limits are 70 and if you drive that you're a slowpoke. Food prices are reasonable, medical care (in the areas mentioned) is very good, the air quality is great (although there are many "just gray" days).
It is a beautiful state, lots of open space, tons of outdoor activities in all seasons, great history, great wineries, lots of museums, several zoos, more lakes and lakeshore area than any other state. Lots of golf courses, 2 major college teams, many hometown baseball teams, and Detroit has all of the national sports teams. It has the best of much, the biggest downfall being the cold, gray winters.
You'd be greeted and welcomed by some of the nicest, friendliest, helpful, down to earth folks. Neighbors take care of each other, communities rally, volunteerism and giving back is a way of life.
05-20-2016, 12:41 PM
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I love Ann Arbor as much as anyone has ever loved anywhere but for people looking to escape a gentrifying college town, it is maybe the worst suggestion imaginable
That's why no one suggested it as a place to live, only as a place to travel to for the excellent healthcare that the OP desires.
I live 25 minutes from Ann Arbor via expressway and you would never have a remote idea that you were anywhere near a college town where I live. It is small, rural, friendly, and old fashioned in a lot of ways. The commercial architecture is virtually all late 1800s/early 1900s and the town is surrounded by cornfields. I could choose never to go to Ann Arbor for anything and never know it existed -- gentrification, college campus, and all. However, the beauty of living here is, if I need world class healthcare, a vast array of ethnic restaurants, and unique shopping opportunities, it is available, and only 25 minutes away. I am a country girl born and bred who does not like big cities except on rare occasions and I am completely happy in my little cornfield town. It truly is the best of both worlds.
05-23-2016, 09:03 AM
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I have never heard any of these things about Eugene OR. I do think as elderly seniors you might want to think about driving on ice and walking on ice for a good 4 months the year if not more. There will be a lot of it, more than you are accustomed to. Many northern seniors are accustomed to winter cold but move south as snow removal and ice become a threat. A broken hip is a serious thing.
Eugene is a couple hundred thousand pop. So you want something smaller in size but with good hospitals and Dr.s and public transportation. And...growing your own food? So...a big city lot? Not sure I understand that part about can't grow food anymore.
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)