02-26-2008, 02:08 PM
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Is the average wage (including benefits) that a Line worker makes at American Axle. No wonder cars cost $35,000... Paying a line worker $150,000 with overtime is institutionalized Corruption!
02-26-2008, 02:13 PM
Location: West Michigan
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Everything I have seen is that they CAN make up to $65 an hour, not that it is the average wage. I would be interested in seeing those numbers actually. Please post a link so I can read it.
02-26-2008, 02:44 PM
Location: Keweenaw Peninsula, Michigan
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You'd rather have an axle built by a worker making $2 a day???
02-26-2008, 03:54 PM
Location: Lower Michigan
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You'd rather have an axle built by a worker making $2 a day???
There is quite a difference from 2.00 a day and $70.00 an hr.. I've thought the, well what used to be the big three have made to much for the last 30 years. The unions have priced the workers right out of their jobs. You didn't have to go to college back then if you got into one of the auto plants,you probably made more than if you did go to school. I worked for a parts supplier and the average wage was at least 50% less than a union plant. Well they closed us up and we were making money. Shipped some to Mexico and consolidated the rest. GM is one of the jobs that went across the border so if you think your buying made in USA think again. My neighbor is retired from GM and he makes more than I did when I worked. I agree with the starter of this thread that said " no wonder cars cost 35,000".Thats why my truck and car are 1993's. I blame the big companies for letting it happen too. With the overtime take GM for instance 135,000 or more a year. To work on the line or whatever ? No wonder they were or are in trouble. Don't get me wrong I hate to see anyone lose a job, just stating my opinion. I also say a some of it is the medical insurance cost but thats another topic.Also the huge bonus and such to the upper management people are insane.
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02-27-2008, 12:25 AM
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There is quite a difference from 2.00 a day and $70.00 an hr.. I've thought the, well what used to be the big three have made to much for the last 30 years. The unions have priced the workers right out of their jobs. You didn't have to go to college back then if you got into one of the auto plants,you probably made more than if you did go to school. I worked for a parts supplier and the average wage was at least 50% less than a union plant. Well they closed us up and we were making money. Shipped some to Mexico and consolidated the rest. GM is one of the jobs that went across the border so if you think your buying made in USA think again. My neighbor is retired from GM and he makes more than I did when I worked. I agree with the starter of this thread that said " no wonder cars cost 35,000".Thats why my truck and car are 1993's. I blame the big companies for letting it happen too. With the overtime take GM for instance 135,000 or more a year. To work on the line or whatever ? No wonder they were or are in trouble. Don't get me wrong I hate to see anyone lose a job, just stating my opinion. I also say a some of it is the medical insurance cost but thats another topic.Also the huge bonus and such to the upper management people are insane.
But even with many parts being made in Mexico with $0.50 an hour workers, cars are $35,000.
02-27-2008, 06:27 AM
Location: Charlevoix
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But even with many parts being made in Mexico with $0.50 an hour workers, cars are $35,000.
Thats because the big bosses and CEO's need their money, if they would take a pay cut and cut some of their *golden parachuet* things would improve
02-27-2008, 09:51 AM
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From what I understand that 75 dollars an hour is including all of their overtime and benefits.
if they make 33 dollars an hour (for skilled labor I believe thats the rate) thats almost 70k per year. some of them work 70-100 hours a week. Thats at time and a half thats puts them around 50/hour for overtime. At 70 hours a week thats almost another 80 k/year on top of the 70k (someone check my math!). Together thats 150k per year only working 70 hours week which is about 70 bucks/hour
Of course thats not including top of the line benefits. thats gotta be another 10-20k/year I would think. Oh, and I am sure that sundays (holidays too) might be double time? An uncle on my wifes side never passes up a Sunday. He makes well over 6 figures on the line and does not want to retire. Who could blame him?
But you know what? They can have their 33 an hour plus overtime if they want to put in those kinds of hours
I'll stick to my nice salary at 40 hours a week so I have time to spend it
As far as the 2 dollar a day thats a double edged sword. Those guys making 2 dollars an hour will never complain, never be late, never miss work and will do whatever it takes (including injury) to get the job done. On the other hand, from a quality standpoint, they are afraid to speak up if something is wrong because they fear for their job. Working for a supplier I have witnessed this. Glad I am not in purchasing or quality
Oh, and believe me, no matter what brand of car you drive today you can bet there is already a component made by someone making slave wages. Our company is moving everything south of the border or to Asia to save pennies.
You just need to hang on for the ride I guess until someday this all balances out (fingers crossed!)
03-02-2008, 03:05 AM
Location: MN
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Starting wage for a UAW Janitor at GM is $52,000/year + benefits.
03-02-2008, 09:40 AM
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Janitor is the union designation for the job. This person probably doesnt do a whole lot of "janitorial" work. As a teamster "Janitor" I drove forklift, inventoried and moved fixtures, assembly,kept the warehouse, Packing & shipping and some clean up on the floor which was far from scrubbing toilets. In fact we used to hire a janitorial company to come in and clean offices toilets etc...
03-02-2008, 10:01 AM
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Starting wage for a UAW Janitor at GM is $52,000/year + benefits.Solid Economic Gains - 2003 UAW GM and Delphi Report (http://www.uaw.org/contracts/03/gm/gm02.cfm - broken link)
The only thing is -- many people who graduate from college don't work especially hard, and many aren't especially well educated. And that is becoming more and more true with 20% of college graduates functionally illiterate.
The unions got carried away but who is to decide what a wage should be? It should be based on supply and demand which may mean some jobs that are harder to fill college or no college would pay better than jobs that are easy to fill.
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Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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Of course thats not including top of the line benefits. thats gotta be another 10-20k/year I would think. Oh, and I am sure that sundays (holidays too) might be double time? An uncle on my wifes side never passes up a Sunday. He makes well over 6 figures on the line and does not want to retire. Who could blame him?
