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Michigan: social programs, parenting help, advice, lawyer, news.

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Old 04-30-2008, 12:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by mofromcheboygankalamazoo View Post
how can you guarantee that these "scare" people off?! i come from a family of lawyers and i can state that laws in all states can be interpreted in many different ways!
Personal experience. I've witnessed it.

Being in a family of lawyers may give you a skewed view of how people see the law.


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there are CRAZY things that happen in every single state! i mean come on really!
Detroit is really working hard (minus KK) at turning itself around-holding more festivals downtown etc....and jennifer granholm does not do EVERYthing to this state-there are other lawmakers you know...and you also know that she came to the helm after Engler who really really messed things up!
Engler didn't mess things up. Engler moved the state away from some of it's socialist legislation. Granholm is trying to restore it, and in the process destroying anything that stands in the way of that restoration.

Regardless of what the state is "trying" to do. The reality is that the state government is a manifestation of the culture of Michigan. If it's bad-- which it is-- then it's a statement about the people.

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now i can understand the uofm professor-if he has a good lawyer which i am sure he does then it will be all worked out-the guard or whoever was just doing their job!
The problem is, as it relates to MI inviting people, is that it sends the signal that if you come to MI, the liklihood that a simple mistake will turn into something bigger because of the culture is higher there than elsewhere... Check with your lawyer family. I'm sure they're grounded in logic.


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Intelligent people do not judge an entire state by any one or two incidents, they look at a number of factors when considering moving to a new place.
Agreed. However, when you're thinking about moving, you begin with a list of places you might like. You have to quickly reduce that list. News reports are a reason to get a state booted off the list early because it'll save so much time in unnecessary research. When two states are relatively equal-- as they all are when you investigate what they have to offer-- hearing about these things does effect the decision.

Obviously, you're not trying to say that an "intelligent" person would ignore news coming out of a state?


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The hard lemonade incident has nothing to with Michigan aside from simple location.
You're wrong. It says that a guard, a group of guards, a hospital, protective services, the police and the prosecutor were all part of movement to take a child for something relatively minor. It demonstrates that not one person in that group said "Hey, wait a minute. Maybe we're over-reacting here."

It says a lot about the culture of Michigan... like the state wants it's hands in your parenting and the state is superior to you.


This isn't rocket science here. Michigan is regularly in the news for stupid stuff. It's only reasonable to conclude it's because there's more crazy crap going on there than elsewhere.

In regard to "it only says something about a location": Beyond it being a sign of the overall culture, you have to remember, those people have a level of control in what the government does-- the government that reins over everyone. If a person can avoid trouble like that, they will.


You don't buy property where the government seems a little more shaky than the next. You move on and find someplace else... I assure you, MI doesn't have anything more to offer than most other states that makes it worth putting up with a government that's taking babies for no good reason.

 
Old 04-30-2008, 01:09 PM
 
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Originally Posted by One Thousand View Post
Personal experience. I've witnessed it.

Being in a family of lawyers may give you a skewed view of how people see the law.




Engler didn't mess things up. Engler moved the state away from some of it's socialist legislation. Granholm is trying to restore it, and in the process destroying anything that stands in the way of that restoration.

Regardless of what the state is "trying" to do. The reality is that the state government is a manifestation of the culture of Michigan. If it's bad-- which it is-- then it's a statement about the people.



The problem is, as it relates to MI inviting people, is that it sends the signal that if you come to MI, the liklihood that a simple mistake will turn into something bigger because of the culture is higher there than elsewhere... Check with your lawyer family. I'm sure they're grounded in logic.




Agreed. However, when you're thinking about moving, you begin with a list of places you might like. You have to quickly reduce that list. News reports are a reason to get a state booted off the list early because it'll save so much time in unnecessary research. When two states are relatively equal-- as they all are when you investigate what they have to offer-- hearing about these things does effect the decision.

Obviously, you're not trying to say that an "intelligent" person would ignore news coming out of a state?




You're wrong. It says that a guard, a group of guards, a hospital, protective services, the police and the prosecutor were all part of movement to take a child for something relatively minor. It demonstrates that not one person in that group said "Hey, wait a minute. Maybe we're over-reacting here."

It says a lot about the culture of Michigan... like the state wants it's hands in your parenting and the state is superior to you.


This isn't rocket science here. Michigan is regularly in the news for stupid stuff. It's only reasonable to conclude it's because there's more crazy crap going on there than elsewhere.

In regard to "it only says something about a location": Beyond it being a sign of the overall culture, you have to remember, those people have a level of control in what the government does-- the government that reins over everyone. If a person can avoid trouble like that, they will.


You don't buy property where the government seems a little more shaky than the next. You move on and find someplace else... I assure you, MI doesn't have anything more to offer than most other states that makes it worth putting up with a government that's taking babies for no good reason.

I live in The US. This entire country is insane with "WE MUST PROTECT THE CHILDREN" I absolutely could see that lemonade incident happening ANYWHERE, it's a comment on the US nanny society, I KNOW and so does any thinking person that it could have happened anywhere in america. That is my point on the issue. It's an AMERICAN problem, not a Michigan one other than it happened here.

Lots of places are in the news for stupid things, I was in other states for 12 years and rarely heard much about MI at all.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Garden City, MI
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Quite possibly the most RIDICULOUS thing Ive read here on C-D. Really, thats utterly ridiculous.
Totally agree.

And everyone knows what HARD lemonade is. Hard always implies alcohol in beverages.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Garden City, MI
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Originally Posted by One Thousand View Post
You're wrong. It says that a guard, a group of guards, a hospital, protective services, the police and the prosecutor were all part of movement to take a child for something relatively minor. It demonstrates that not one person in that group said "Hey, wait a minute. Maybe we're over-reacting here."

It says a lot about the culture of Michigan... like the state wants it's hands in your parenting and the state is superior to you.


This isn't rocket science here. Michigan is regularly in the news for stupid stuff. It's only reasonable to conclude it's because there's more crazy crap going on there than elsewhere.

In regard to "it only says something about a location": Beyond it being a sign of the overall culture, you have to remember, those people have a level of control in what the government does-- the government that reins over everyone. If a person can avoid trouble like that, they will.
What an obtuse statement. Sir you have lost all credibility.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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That's it! After hearing this in the news I'm packing up and leaving. I'll move on to somewhere more normal like San francisco.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 01:47 PM
 
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I KNOW and so does any thinking person that it could have happened anywhere in america.
Yeah and I could win the lottery tonight.

Certainly, the "it's all for the children" mentality is across America. However, that something like this happens frequently enough in Michigan that it catches national attention says that the mentality is so dominant in Michigan that reasonable minded people are not present enough to stop it from allowing the law to drift into being unreasonable.

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I was in other states for 12 years and rarely heard much about MI at all.
Interesting point. I've been out for over three years and it's like nationwide attention just started about six months ago or so.

Everyone always here's Detroit and thinks dump. However, I think it was Granholm that brought the spotlight on the state. Now, it's atleast once a week. Today, it was surprisingly twice.

Come one, no other state in the union had a near shut-down in recent history. No one would raise taxes during a recession... No other state was even in a recession. The mayor-- and the whole city he represents-- is a dirtbag... And you think these stories don't reaffirm that Michigan is in big trouble and the leadership is fully out of touch with reality?... Which means the people are out of touch with reality?

Come on. Just give me one example of something that was a statewide cause that painted Michigan in a positive light. I mean, come on, the city of Detroit had a "funeral" for the "N word." How stupid. How totally idiotic.

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And everyone knows what HARD lemonade is. Hard always implies alcohol in beverages... What an obtuse statement. Sir you have lost all credibility.
Perfect. Then you're saying that the gentleman was intentionally feeding his child alcohol and that anyone who isn't aware of what you consider common sense should be a target of the law. That's exactly what I'm talking about. It's laughably short-sighted.

Regarding credibility: Uh huh. I've been reading your posts for awhile. I can't say your opinion of my credibility means much...

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Originally Posted by Brent85 View Post
That's it! After hearing this in the news I'm packing up and leaving. I'll move on to somewhere more normal like San francisco.
That's a good one. However, I'd suggest staying in the Mid-West. The West Coast is a different country... more like different planet.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 01:56 PM
 
Location: NE philadelphia
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Originally Posted by One Thousand View Post
Personal experience. I've witnessed it.

Being in a family of lawyers may give you a skewed view of how people see the law.
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from your posts here, i would say you are the one with a "skewed" view of things..i am sorry if I am a bit more positive than you are

I have moved before and i did not look at the news to help me make a decision on where to live! I did research of crime rates, cost of living, schools etc. not silly news stories......i really don't have much more to say because as we all can see, you are set in your belief and anythign we say will not change your mind-most people here though disagree with you and that does say something....
 
Old 04-30-2008, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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The city of Detroit didn't have a funeral for the "N" word, it was the NAACP. I've been to the west coast and yes it's a different planet. But I like living here in Midland, MI. I have a job, friends and family, I don't need to move. You started this thread with a mission, your probably bitter that you had to leave the state. Mind your own biz.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 02:14 PM
 
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Totally agree.

And everyone knows what HARD lemonade is. Hard always implies alcohol in beverages.
The price sign at the ballpark reads "Mike's Lemonade" there is no mention of it being hard. No one would be expected to sit and read the bottle at a ball game. I have seen it in stores and my BF had to tell me it was alcoholic, it's really not obvious at a glance. The kid was traumatized by being taken from his parents for a simple mistake, it was very ridiculous.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 02:16 PM
 
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Originally Posted by mofromcheboygankalamazoo View Post
from your posts here, i would say you are the one with a "skewed" view of things..i am sorry if I am a bit more positive than you are

I have moved before and i did not look at the news to help me make a decision on where to live! I did research of crime rates, cost of living, schools etc. not silly news stories......i really don't have much more to say because as we all can see, you are set in your belief and anythign we say will not change your mind-most people here though disagree with you and that does say something....
You don't read the local newspaper before you move? I didn't when I moved to Oregon. However, that was the bulk of my research when I moved to Colorado... and it paid off pretty well. For the most part, I knew what I was getting into.

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The city of Detroit didn't have a funeral for the "N" word, it was the NAACP. I've been to the west coast and yes it's a different planet. But I like living here in Midland, MI. I have a job, friends and family, I don't need to move. You started this thread with a mission, your probably bitter that you had to leave the state. Mind your own biz.
It was in the city. That's enough to bend perception and it's consistent with my experience of Detroit.

*sigh* Detroit and MI are my business. I stand to inherit a lot of real estate back there if the market is still in the tank when the time comes. If you guys get your stuff together, hopefully my family will sell everything and run before that time comes... or atleast pull up stakes from Detroit area and head to the west side of the state.
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