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Old 04-30-2008, 02:24 PM
 
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Yeah and I could win the lottery tonight.

Certainly, the "it's all for the children" mentality is across America. However, that something like this happens frequently enough in Michigan that it catches national attention says that the mentality is so dominant in Michigan that reasonable minded people are not present enough to stop it from allowing the law to drift into being unreasonable.
I read about the story on a bunch of different sites and saw an interview. Michigan was never painted as anything more than a simple location. You seem to see Michigan differently than others do. People aren't sitting around thinking bad things ONLY happen in michigan. The state has a lot of problems, everyone realizes that, but so do many others.

 
Old 04-30-2008, 02:30 PM
 
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I read about the story on a bunch of different sites and saw an interview. Michigan was never painted as anything more than a simple location. You seem to see Michigan differently than others do. People aren't sitting around thinking bad things ONLY happen in michigan. The state has a lot of problems, everyone realizes that, but so do many others.
No one says "Michigan is obviously filled with zealots." However, if a person fails to recognize how prevalent the aberrancy must be in order to allow such tragedies to happen, then that person is terribly naive.

It's not politically correct to say "Can you believe how stupid this state is?" However, just like everyone looks at the Mexican president's attache stealing Blackberries and says to themselves "Yup, that's Mexico," so too do they look at a state and think "Oh, that's MI?"

That's just the way the world works... and rightfully so. These things don't happen without a broad section of the population being of that mindset.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 02:49 PM
 
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No one says "Michigan is obviously filled with zealots." However, if a person fails to recognize how prevalent the aberrancy must be in order to allow such tragedies to happen, then that person is terribly naive.

It's not politically correct to say "Can you believe how stupid this state is?" However, just like everyone looks at the Mexican president's attache stealing Blackberries and says to themselves "Yup, that's Mexico," so too do they look at a state and think "Oh, that's MI?"

That's just the way the world works... and rightfully so. These things don't happen without a broad section of the population being of that mindset.
I don't understand how you don't get that it isn't about Michigan, nobody cares this in happened in Michigan, it's practically irrelevant. People are saying can you believe how stupid this COUNTRY is!

I think you are being myopic because you have things at stake here, but you don't see it realistically IMO. I'm not going to argue about it, you have your beliefs, it just seems like you want to make yourself miserable and that's not a pleasant way to live.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 03:10 PM
 
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I don't understand how you don't get that it isn't about Michigan, nobody cares this in happened in Michigan, it's practically irrelevant. People are saying can you believe how stupid this COUNTRY is!
I think you're right. People who aren't considering moving and are just looking at the world (or country) are probably saying that it's a strike against the country. However, when conservative (in decision making, not necessarily politically) people are making decisions they take stuff like this into account.

There may be people who are considering moving who don't recognize that it's a problem within the state and think it's across the board. However, I'm saying those people are naive. What this issue demonstrates is that in the next state, enough people would say "this isn't right" and the issue would die out. However, in MI the segment of the population that would intervene is missing. Most importantly, they're missing from the government. That's scary.

Suffice to say, on the subject at hand, I say that national headlines about bad news in Michigan effects the perception of the state and represents the people of the state. You're implying it doesn't.

You're all entitled to an opinion... even if it's wrong.

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I'm not going to argue about it, you have your beliefs, it just seems like you want to make yourself miserable and that's not a pleasant way to live.
No. I just want to kick a state when it's down
 
Old 04-30-2008, 03:44 PM
 
Location: West Bloomfield
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No one says "Michigan is obviously filled with zealots." However, if a person fails to recognize how prevalent the aberrancy must be in order to allow such tragedies to happen, then that person is terribly naive.

It's not politically correct to say "Can you believe how stupid this state is?" However, just like everyone looks at the Mexican president's attache stealing Blackberries and says to themselves "Yup, that's Mexico," so too do they look at a state and think "Oh, that's MI?"

That's just the way the world works... and rightfully so. These things don't happen without a broad section of the population being of that mindset.
Honestly, before we moved here, I didn't give Michigan a second thought. So, no, I would have never thought "Oh, that's MI for you" if something bad or odd happened. I think you give MI too much credit, in that everyone in the US has been here and has first hand knowledge about the state.

I just got off the phone with my mom (in Dallas). She was telling me that a mother there tried to kill her young children yesterday. Does that make everyone think, "OH, that's TEXAS"? Doubt it. It's unfortunate, but bad things happen everywhere. Not just in Michigan.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 03:47 PM
 
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Suffice to say, on the subject at hand, I say that national headlines about bad news in Michigan effects the perception of the state and represents the people of the state. You're implying it doesn't.
National headlines about bad news in ANY STATE affect the perception of the state. For about 5 minutes. Then people go on about their business and forget about it. This is just a ridiculous argument.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 03:53 PM
 
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I think you're right. People who aren't considering moving and are just looking at the world (or country) are probably saying that it's a strike against the country. However, when conservative (in decision making, not necessarily politically) people are making decisions they take stuff like this into account.

There may be people who are considering moving who don't recognize that it's a problem within the state and think it's across the board. However, I'm saying those people are naive. What this issue demonstrates is that in the next state, enough people would say "this isn't right" and the issue would die out. However, in MI the segment of the population that would intervene is missing. Most importantly, they're missing from the government. That's scary.

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]What are you referring to, intervene on what? The lemonade thing is over, the kids back with his dad.
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Suffice to say, on the subject at hand, I say that national headlines about bad news in Michigan effects the perception of the state and represents the people of the state. You're implying it doesn't.

I'm not saying it doesn't, but as far as this little event, it's tiny I said "practically irrelevant" and on that I am right.

You're all entitled to an opinion... even if it's wrong.

Ditto




No. I just want to kick a state when it's down
Whatever makes you happy, I guess. That's not a life philosophy I will ever practice.


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Old 04-30-2008, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Colorado and Oregon are scenic but aren't that great. I went to Portland in 2006 and saw more homeless people, than I've ever seen in Detroit. And their unemployment rate is only slightly better than ours. Detroit is known around the world, and perhaps one of the most influencial cities in history. Cars, music, etc. Just because the unemployment rate is 7.2%, and the national rate is about 5% doesn't mean this state is some wasteland. The economy in this nation is slowly declining. This isn't a perfect world, bad things happen everywhere, and Michigan is far from being the worst place to live.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 04:01 PM
 
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National headlines about bad news in ANY STATE affect the perception of the state. For about 5 minutes. Then people go on about their business and forget about it. This is just a ridiculous argument.
I agree, americans aren't known for their long attention spans.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 04:05 PM
 
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Colorado and Oregon are scenic but aren't that great. I went to Portland in 2006 and saw more homeless people, than I've ever seen in Detroit. And their unemployment rate is only slightly better than ours. Detroit is known around the world, and perhaps one of the most influencial cities in history. Cars, music, etc. Just because the unemployment rate is 7.2%, and the national rate is about 5% doesn't mean this state is some wasteland. The economy in this nation is slowly declining. This isn't a perfect world, bad things happen everywhere, and Michigan is far from being the worst place to live.
I totally agree! Michigan has the resources to come back up again. The state is surrounded by fresh water and filled with forest. I'm quite happy to have all the negative people leave and those of us who stay can work with these resources and grow strong again.
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