[DaniellaG]

In every job people are getting Covid I’m not disagreeing
Hair dressers, grocery workers, waitstaff yet none are complaining and wanting to stay home. Most occupations are back in person. What about gym workers and airline workers? Are you telling me they are at less risk then teachers? Absolutely not
So if teachers should stay home all these other people should too?

Right now MI has 2nd highest Covid cases in the US
Some of the strictest restrictions still

So why are other states doing better then MI? The variant cases don’t add up to that many

Other states had a surge in cases when they opened too and that’s where were at now

Also why when cases were 2000 or 3000 a day lower she had things closed now being way higher she has them open?

[highlanderfil]

Originally Posted by DaniellaG

In every job people are getting Covid I’m not disagreeing
Hair dressers, grocery workers, waitstaff yet none are complaining and wanting to stay home. Most occupations are back in person. Are you telling me waitstaff or hair dressers are at less risk then teachers? Absolutely not
So if teachers should stay home all these other people should too?

Another false equivalency. Teachers CAN work from home (and have been, despite all the challenges). Hairdressers cannot. Same way I can work from home as white-collar Ford employee, but blue-collar workers can't. Should I go back to the office at a potential (though admittedly low) risk to my health and to a clear detriment to my actual work being done (because I work with international clients, nobody really cares where I sit while running Excel models) just so that your sense of fair play isn't offended?

As for "none are complaining" - how would you know? Amazon drivers are quitting. Instacart employees held a strike earlier in the pandemic. Etc.

Right now MI has 2nd highest Covid cases in the US

How are you measuring this?

Also why when cases were 2000 or 3000 a day lower she had things closed now being way higher she has them open?

Probably because cases don't jump or drop the very same day things are open and closed? And also because, as others have pointed out, she eventually had to bend to the will of the general public despite science clearly telling her that it was too early to open. The trend that started in late February is quite worrisome, actually, but hey, you are the one who wants everything to go back to "normal" - enjoy. At least those deaths you seem so single-mindedly focused on are declining.

[DaniellaG]

https://amp.freep.com/amp/6986599002

Now we’re 3rd in the US

So basically teachers are staying home? They are not going to restaurants, on airplanes, to gyms? They can go to those places but not school. Right if Amazon workers don’t feel comfortable working then quit and so should teachers. Now in schools there saying 3 ft is adequate for social distance

Most businesses are in person just like I listed grocery/retail, salons, casino, restaurants, medical, gyms. All those workers haven’t complained. They need a paycheck. If teachers didn’t have union and were going to get fired they would show up

[DaniellaG]

Explain why 47 states are doing better then MI now and have been for weeks?

Most did have a surge in cases when they opened like we have now

Don’t you find it odd we have over 5000 cases today and whitmer is keeping things open? There is no rhyme or reason to her opening and closing of businesses

[mgkeith]

You have already been given explanations for all of these issues. Apparently you aren't reading other posts.

[highlanderfil]

Originally Posted by DaniellaG

So basically teachers are staying home? They are not going to restaurants, on airplanes, to gyms? They can go to those places but not school.

I can't speak for all the teachers, but I can tell you what my wife isn't doing, and that's all the things you mentioned. We've not been on a plane since October 2019, to a sit-down restaurant since early 2020 and to the gym since about that time (which was unfortunate, because she'd just found a Pilates class she loved). Teachers aren't different species to you and I. They're doing and not doing the same things other reasonable human beings are doing and not doing.

Right if Amazon workers don’t feel comfortable working then quit and so should teachers. Now in schools there saying 3 ft is adequate for social distance

Except unlike Amazon drivers, teachers establish relationships with their students and develop this thing called "a sense of duty". So they endure abuse, gaslighting and being treated like crap because their profession isn't as simple as driving a car and delivering packages, I'm sorry to say (and it's a whole hell of a lot more interactive than that of a Prime driver). And, yes, they go back to campus to teach in a ridiculous hybrid environment which results in a lot more work (for the same pay) and potential health hazards. If they quit in the same numbers as Amazon and Instacart drivers, we would have NO education system. None. Zero. In fact, I've been imploring my wife to quit because her school is absolute hot garbage when it comes to teacher treatment. She refuses.

Most businesses are in person just like I listed grocery/retail, salons, casino, restaurants, medical, gyms. All those workers haven’t complained.

Once again, you're making a claim you cannot possibly back up. In fact, all of those workers HAVE complained. And gone on strike. And quit. You're either ignoring the truth or purposely misstating it.

They need a paycheck. If teachers didn’t have union and were going to get fired they would show up

You need a reality check. Not every teacher is part of the union (my wife is not). Teachers aren't asking not to work - that would be insane. They are asking for adequate treatment and to not be forced to work twice as hard for the same paycheck while delivering lower-quality product (which is inevitable because masks make interaction difficult and body language is a lot more important to kids than it is to adults) and putting their health at risk, just because a few parents can't stand to have their kids at home any longer.

[DaniellaG]

Teachers aside how do you expect people to support their families with these closures and restrictions? The government assistance I doubt will be forever and is not enough for most

Why do you feel Whitmer is now keeping things open so far anyway with such an increase in cases?

[highlanderfil]

Originally Posted by DaniellaG

Teachers aside how do you expect people to support their families with these closures and restrictions? The government assistance I doubt will be forever and is not enough for most

In a perfect world - and I hate to invoke China for a variety of human rights reasons, but they certainly handled the situation a whole lot better than we did - we'd have had a period of extreme restrictions with the government pitching in to help those who needed it, followed by mass vaccinations. Instead we started with Covid denial by our country's top officials, who then threatened to withhold or actually withheld help from the states who dared call them out, followed by an inconsistent and drawn out decentralized stop-start process of restrictions, then easing, then more restrictions, then easing, and round and round it went. Mask wearing became a political hot button. Seriously. I still can't wrap my head around this.

Why do you feel Whitmer is now keeping things open so far anyway with such an increase in cases?

I already answered your question. So have others. Have the common decency to read the responses. Or maybe just read this.

By the way, awesome job cherrypicking things to respond to.

[DaniellaG]

Originally Posted by highlanderfil

In a perfect world - and I hate to invoke China for a variety of human rights reasons, but they certainly handled the situation a whole lot better than we did - we'd have had a period of extreme restrictions with the government pitching in to help those who needed it, followed by mass vaccinations. Instead we started with Covid denial by our country's top officials, who then threatened to withhold or actually withheld help from the states who dared call them out, followed by an inconsistent and drawn out decentralized stop-start process of restrictions, then easing, then more restrictions, then easing, and round and round it went. Mask wearing became a political hot button. Seriously. I still can't wrap my head around this.I already answered your question. So have others. Have the common decency to read the responses. Or maybe just read this.

By the way, awesome job cherrypicking things to respond to.

You do the same
You never answer why other 47 states are doing better with less restrictions
You have such an attitude
I won’t keep replying cause this isn’t getting anywhere

[highlanderfil]

Originally Posted by DaniellaG

You do the same

Actually, I do not. I've responded to pretty much everything you've written.

You have such an attitude

You've said. What of it?