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Old 11-18-2012, 11:13 PM
 
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Whatever the "rules" are, it seems summarily absurd that we will, in part, entrust the security of our nation to these people and also willingly concede that they can make the proper decision on when and when not to use deadly force with an automatic weapon which we provide them... but we then have stark reservations about whether they can handle a few cocktails.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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When I was in the military the drinking age on base was up to the base commander, drinking off base was state law.
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:09 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Currently, you can get kicked out of the military if caught underage drinking. The UCMJ does NOT list a minimum drinking age. You must follow local laws. Some bases, as previous posters have stated, make exceptions. For example, Fort Bliss allows underage drinking because otherwise, people were traveling in Juarez Mexico to drink. However, most states maintain 21 as the drinking age, and military members can be separated for breaking those laws.
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:11 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Whatever the "rules" are, it seems summarily absurd that we will, in part, entrust the security of our nation to these people and also willingly concede that they can make the proper decision on when and when not to use deadly force with an automatic weapon which we provide them... but we then have stark reservations about whether they can handle a few cocktails.

It isn't about handling cocktails, it is about that fact that we are citizens of the United States, and the respective 50 states, and we should follow the LAWS as they are enacted. Being in the military does NOT afford you the right to break just and actual laws. All states have a LAW in place, enacted by elected officials, that the drinking age is 21. Why would you think military members should break laws????
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:48 AM
 
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It isn't about handling cocktails, it is about that fact that we are citizens of the United States, and the respective 50 states, and we should follow the LAWS as they are enacted. Being in the military does NOT afford you the right to break just and actual laws. All states have a LAW in place, enacted by elected officials, that the drinking age is 21. Why would you think military members should break laws????
The poster implied about changing the law, not that people should break the law.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:10 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Whatever the "rules" are, it seems summarily absurd that we will, in part, entrust the security of our nation to these people and also willingly concede that they can make the proper decision on when and when not to use deadly force with an automatic weapon which we provide them... but we then have stark reservations about whether they can handle a few cocktails.
Nothing was said about the number of cocktails. The discussion is supposed to be "Drinking age in the military", not how much you drink, how many you drink, how often you drink etc.

What makes you assume we all carried an "automatic weapon", some of these 'old' military may have carried the M14 or M1 carbine rifles...

Betcha half a dozen Lone Star beers in El Paso you were not in the military?


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Old 11-20-2012, 09:45 AM
 
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Nothing was said about the number of cocktails. The discussion is supposed to be "Drinking age in the military", not how much you drink, how many you drink, how often you drink etc.

What makes you assume we all carried an "automatic weapon", some of these 'old' military may have carried the M14 or M1 carbine rifles...

Betcha half a dozen Lone Star beers in El Paso you were not in the military?


Rich
I think the poster was referring to the potential responsibility military members can have. It is presumed that at the minimum, members can qualify a small arm, and stand a post. Not saying this is true, but I have never encountered someone without the ability to do so, not including temporary reasons.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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It isn't about handling cocktails, it is about that fact that we are citizens of the United States, and the respective 50 states, and we should follow the LAWS as they are enacted. Being in the military does NOT afford you the right to break just and actual laws. All states have a LAW in place, enacted by elected officials, that the drinking age is 21. Why would you think military members should break laws????
Being in the military doesn't give you the right to break State and local laws, however, military bases and military personel fall under a different type of law, it is called the UCMJ. If military personel break laws off-base then they are subject to the local and state laws along with the UCMJ, they are held to two standards of laws. So even though a state law may make the drinking age 21 this doesn't apply to military bases, unless the base commander deems it so.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:30 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Being in the military doesn't give you the right to break State and local laws, however, military bases and military personel fall under a different type of law, it is called the UCMJ. If military personel break laws off-base then they are subject to the local and state laws along with the UCMJ, they are held to two standards of laws. So even though a state law may make the drinking age 21 this doesn't apply to military bases, unless the base commander deems it so.
Some of the posters previously made it sound as though military should be able to drink at 18 regardless. We must adhere, generally speaking, to both laws.

For example, the UCMJ does NOT require car insurance or car registration, but you sure better have it if you are driving on base.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Some of the posters previously made it sound as though military should be able to drink at 18 regardless. We must adhere, generally speaking, to both laws.

For example, the UCMJ does NOT require car insurance or car registration, but you sure better have it if you are driving on base.

Yes, agreed, just because your in the military doesn't exempt you from state and local laws, however, it does add another level of responsibility to you through the UCMJ.
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