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Old 07-19-2018, 09:27 PM
 
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Unless that last year is just one crap assignment after another, I would think it's a good deal to be able to get the pension. As I understand it, anything short of 20 years, you don't get any pension at all, but with 20, you get half of base pay, COLA adjusted, even.



Is that correct?
That is correct but add on TriCare for lifetime medical insurance.
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Old 07-19-2018, 09:28 PM
 
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The rank structure is going to resemble a pyramid. There isn't enough room in the military for every single person who wants to stay to move up. The military promotes the best and the brightest in order to have the best NCO cadre possible. It's in the military's best interest and the country's. Some people simply aren't going to make the cut. Life's not fair and neither is military service.
That is somewhat true. The Air Force has something like 40% officers compared to something like 13% in the Army or Marine Corps. If a guy flies a jet he's an officer. To my knowledge only the AF did away with having Warrant Officers, but in the Army when when we went on airborne operations it was always warrant officers flying the C-130's, C-7s, or the choppers (in USASOC we jumped out of choppers and C-7's a good bit). Honestly I wish that all MOS' in all branches had more warrants. It's a good in-between thing where one's expertise matters.

Changing topics here: There are probably far more newbie lieutenants in any of the services than there are senior enlisted guys. But just because the officers always technically outrank the enlisted guys doesn't mean that a 22 year old lieutenant fresh out of college can just go bossing around a 45 year old Sergeant Major with 25+ years of service. It just does not work that way in real life.
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Old 07-19-2018, 11:12 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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To my knowledge only the AF did away with having Warrant Officers
That is still correct. A informative document:

Demographic Profile of the Active Duty Warrant Officer Corps
September 2008 Snapshot

https://diversity.defense.gov/Portal...mographics.pdf
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Old 07-20-2018, 12:18 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, AK
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To my knowledge only the AF did away with having Warrant Officers, but in the Army when when we went on airborne operations it was always warrant officers flying the C-130's, C-7s, or the choppers (in USASOC we jumped out of choppers and C-7's a good bit). Honestly I wish that all MOS' in all branches had more warrants. It's a good in-between thing where one's expertise matters.
I can assure you there are no warrant officers flying a C-130 in any branch of the US military.
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Old 07-20-2018, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Which has always been the reason why a military retirement plan that paid immediately upon service exit (rather than being withheld until age 65) is both practical and moral.

Otherwise, given that it's for service needs that retention becomes very stiff after 20 years (war is a young man's game after all), a man would be a fool to volunteer to serve 20 years to be shown the door at the peak of his personal family obligations without an income to supplement what a civilian who had been working those 20 years should have accumulated.

Military retirement pay is really something like alimony for a wife who has been divorced by a husband seeking a younger woman.
Agreed. Interesting enough, during government shutdowns, said military pensions won't pay out. I was shocked when I heard about it, luckily government shutdowns aren't usually long.

What matters most is that enlisted folks (or recruits) understand what they're getting into and can calculate/anticipate what their retirement pay will be. Some people, military and non-military, think you can just do 20 and star living large, that's not the way it works for folks with families.

It's going to be interesting to see if the military ends up providing more incentives for people to stay.

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Old 07-20-2018, 08:40 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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It's going to be interesting to see if the military ends up providing more incentives for people to stay.
More, to stay? Really?

Army announces new changes to retention bonuses, kickers

By Sean Kimmons, Army News Service, May 15, 2018:


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WASHINGTON -- Officials released new guidance Tuesday on the Army's Selective Retention Bonus Program, which includes first-ever bonuses up to $52,000 for those who reenlist for critical Security Forces Assistance Brigade positions.
https://www.army.mil/article/205376/...onuses_kickers
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Old 08-07-2018, 03:05 PM
 
Location: DuPont, WA
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Pretty vague statement... That can be said about the human race... Don't advance, you are gone...

For the Army, here is an artcle from Rode Powers: https://www.thebalancecareers.com/en...simple-3331909
The Army DOES have TIG requirements for SNCOs. Two years for Secondary Zone, 3 for Primary Zone. They have also recently made a change to how sequence numbers are determined :-)
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