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Old 10-27-2018, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Oak Bowery
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If you’re an E5 for that long it’s usually because you got in trouble and were demoted at one point.
We had a Captain who came to work with us as a Ssgt./med lab tech. He failed to make major and was rifted to Ssgt pending retirement at 20. I must say that he had a very good attitude all things considered.

Circa 1980 or so.
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Old 10-27-2018, 10:17 AM
 
Location: USA
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We had a Captain who came to work with us as a Ssgt./med lab tech. He failed to make major and was rifted to Ssgt pending retirement at 20. I must say that he had a very good attitude all things considered.

Circa 1980 or so.
Yes, I've seen that.
While stationed at Patrick AFB, I knew/met a former Capt that did not make Maj and was rifted to SSgt working at the Photo Lab.
Not sure if this practice/custom applies now days.

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Old 10-27-2018, 10:30 AM
 
Location: USA
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Or they didn't want to be promoted.

Back in the day before they changed it, I knew several that retired at that rank.

They were crusty old SSgts, but usually experts in their field. They wanted to work with their hands, not behind a desk. Nothing wrong with that.
True statement.

At the risk of being repetitive with my service time stories (my apologies)...worked with an SSgt (E-5) that got promoted to TSgt (E-6) at or near his 20year mark. Turned it down because...if I remember in his own words...."I was told that once I put on that other stripe, not to wear that green sh1t (fatigue uniforms) unless going fishing...to wear my blues and report to supervisor duties". He was a hands on type of guy and hated office duty.
He retired shortly afterwards.

Carry on.

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Old 10-27-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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True statement.

At the risk of being repetitive with my service time stories (my apologies)...worked with an SSgt (E-5) that got promoted to TSgt (E-6) at or near his 20year mark. Turned it down because...if I remember in his own words...."I was told that once I put on that other stripe, not to wear that green sh1t (fatigue uniforms) unless going fishing...to wear my blues and report to supervisor duties". He was a hands on type of guy and hated office duty.
He retired shortly afterwards.

Carry on.

I retired as an E-7 but only because I saw that as the only way to make any money with the company.

I was an acknowledged subject matter expert all the way up and was wishing it could stay that way but could see that slipping away into less desirable staff and "leadership" work, and office politics and intrigue even while I was still a Staff Sgt. If I could have stayed a Buck Sgt or junior type Staff Sgt I'd have been a lot happier coming to work.
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Old 10-27-2018, 01:56 PM
 
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We had a Captain who came to work with us as a Ssgt./med lab tech. He failed to make major and was rifted to Ssgt pending retirement at 20. I must say that he had a very good attitude all things considered.

Circa 1980 or so.
How does that work? Wouldn't he retire at "the highest grade" since I assume his time in rank (as a Major) was at least 2 years?
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Old 10-27-2018, 03:31 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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How does that work? Wouldn't he retire at "the highest grade" since I assume his time in rank (as a Major) was at least 2 years?
It depends. There are various exceptions

§1370. Commissioned officers: general rule; exceptions

(a) Rule for Retirement in Highest Grade Held Satisfactorily.—(1) Unless entitled to a higher retired grade under some other provision of law, a commissioned officer (other than a commissioned warrant officer) of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps who retires under any provision of law other than chapter 61 or chapter 1223 of this title shall, except as provided in paragraph (2), be retired in the highest grade in which he served on active duty satisfactorily, as determined by the Secretary of the military department concerned, for not less than six months.

The entire code is here: [USC03] 10 USC Ch. 69: RETIRED GRADE
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Old 10-27-2018, 05:00 PM
 
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Interesting changes the Air Force continues to make. This will be sure to keep a solid number of E5s in service for 20.

Sounds like a jobs program to me. Definitely a liberal-inspired idea.
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Old 10-27-2018, 05:54 PM
 
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Sounds like a jobs program to me. Definitely a liberal-inspired idea.
What Liberals are running the military?

Actually, this is a time honored technique of Conservatives when they see disaster on the horizon. Rather that let the real unemployment rate be visible as a sign of systemic capitalist failure, they start expanding the military and government in general. Big Government to the rescue. Saves the free market every time it's tried. The ultimate shotgun in the closet for big business

Whew! I'm all outta breath
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Old 10-27-2018, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Oak Bowery
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It depends. There are various exceptions

§1370. Commissioned officers: general rule; exceptions

(a) Rule for Retirement in Highest Grade Held Satisfactorily.—(1) Unless entitled to a higher retired grade under some other provision of law, a commissioned officer (other than a commissioned warrant officer) of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps who retires under any provision of law other than chapter 61 or chapter 1223 of this title shall, except as provided in paragraph (2), be retired in the highest grade in which he served on active duty satisfactorily, as determined by the Secretary of the military department concerned, for not less than six months.

The entire code is here: [USC03] 10 USC Ch. 69: RETIRED GRADE
Correct. He retired as a Captain having apparently spent a few years at the level. I’m glad he was able to retire as such.
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Old 10-27-2018, 11:19 PM
 
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I could not imagine being an E5 for that long, and retiring as one.
Holy smokes, I made E5 in the Army after 2½ years. Granted this was a decade ago and we had super high turnover because of the wars while also trying to grow the force. It was common for guys to "make 7 after 7", and to become an E8 after only 12-15 years.

From a girl I dated about a year ago (who still contacts me every month or so...urrr) it seems to be much, much harder to make rank these days. She has been an E6 for a long time, and will be an E6 for a long time.
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