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Old 03-15-2020, 04:49 PM
 
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I was talking to a lawyer a few years ago who believes more money needs to be spent on human services and less on military. He mentioned drones make big navy ships like aircraft carriers easy pickin's, and thus obsolete or close to obsolete. Is that true?
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Old 03-15-2020, 05:02 PM
 
Location: WMU D1, NH
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Your lawyer is probably better off chasing ambulances than weighing in on military capabilities.
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Old 03-15-2020, 05:10 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Your lawyer is probably better off chasing ambulances than weighing in on military capabilities.
I second this conclusion...
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Old 03-15-2020, 07:33 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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I was talking to a lawyer a few years ago who believes more money needs to be spent on human services and less on military. He mentioned drones make big navy ships like aircraft carriers easy pickin's, and thus obsolete or close to obsolete. Is that true?
Watch this real video carefully... Some drones are released from "navy ships like aircraft carriers". Etc

How much military time has your lawyer friend served? (I was drafted... Then I did 22+ continuous years...)

Ask your lawyer if .... Never mind. Try to watch the video and see if you learn anything...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muEJGEQA1Yk

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Old 03-15-2020, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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I was talking to a lawyer a few years ago who believes more money needs to be spent on human services and less on military. He mentioned drones make big navy ships like aircraft carriers easy pickin's, and thus obsolete or close to obsolete. Is that true?
No offense, but being a lawyer (even a military lawyer) doesn't give one some sort of leg up or expertise on military or human services matters. And I write this as an attorney and military man myself.

The conversation is a legitimate one to have (regardless of what side you fall on), but I don't see what the guy's occupation has to do with anything.
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I was talking to a lawyer a few years ago who believes more money needs to be spent on human services and less on military.
I agree that our nation spends far too much on Defense.

Just as we also maintain way too many of our population locked in prisons.




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... He mentioned drones make big navy ships like aircraft carriers easy pickin's, and thus obsolete or close to obsolete. Is that true?
Your lawyer friend may be experienced in court room politics, but there are many career military who have experience in battle.


An aircraft carrier normally functions within a 'Battle group', which consists of a bunch of other surface ships that form a shield around the carrier so no enemy aircraft or missiles can get near the carrier. Each Battle group is also required to have one combatant escort [a submarine] to detect and neutralize any enemy vessels.
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Old 03-17-2020, 01:38 PM
 
Location: The Commonwealth of Virginia
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An aircraft carrier normally functions within a 'Battle group', which consists of a bunch of other surface ships that form a shield around the carrier so no enemy aircraft or missiles can get near the carrier. Each Battle group is also required to have one combatant escort [a submarine] to detect and neutralize any enemy vessels.
The problem isn't drones, Not yet. There's a lot of argument in (non-Navy) military circles that it's long range and ballistic anti-ship missiles (not to mention hypersonic missiles) that are making aircraft carriers obsolete. If you have a carrier that has to stay 500 miles or more off shore because it's worried about getting blown out of the water by missiles, that significantly limits its capability.

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Old 03-17-2020, 01:48 PM
 
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I have never stepped onto a carrier. That was never my life.

I am aware that Battle Groups tend to have a bunch of target ships, whose entire purpose is to shield their carrier from incoming missiles.

My dealings with Battle Groups were fairly limited. They all make noise, and they tend to muck-up the water. So all of those ships show up in our fire control system as targets, and torpedoes get assigned to each one of them.

If non-Navy vets think that all those target ships are not capable of shooting down incoming missiles. I don't know what to tell you.
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Old 03-17-2020, 02:07 PM
 
Location: The Commonwealth of Virginia
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If non-Navy vets think that all those target ships are not capable of shooting down incoming missiles. I don't know what to tell you.
Well I am a Navy vet, but it's not me making the argument. High level military strategists are making these arguments. And yes, I understand that a battle group is the screen for the carrier. And yes, they probably could shoot down some of the incoming missiles. Couple of problems: missile tech has come a long way since the creation of the battle group. Anti-ship cruise and ballistic missiles are much harder to shoot down. And there's going to be a LOT of them. Cruisers and destroyers only have so many interceptors in the can before they have to be reloaded. All it takes is one 2,000 pound warhead to ruin a carrier's day.

And that's not even discussing hypersonic missiles that the Russians and the Chinese have tested. They would an order of magnitude harder to defend against.

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Old 03-17-2020, 03:24 PM
 
Location: The Commonwealth of Virginia
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If non-Navy vets think that all those target ships are not capable of shooting down incoming missiles. I don't know what to tell you.
This article is a little older but summarizes a lot of the arguments saying the aircraft carrier is obsolete:

https://www.theamericanconservative....rrier-is-dead/

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