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Old 12-20-2021, 04:53 PM
 
Location: The Sunshine State of Mind
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As a proud US veteran, I never witnessed any right wing anything in the 1980s or 1990s, when I served. If I saw anything sketchy, it was enlisted members that had ties to urban gangs.

Now forwarding anything that someone declares extreme, will end with service members coming under intense scrutiny.

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Handling Protest, Extremist, and Criminal Gang Activities Among Members of the
Armed Forces

This changes revises policies for handling protest, extremist, and criminal gang activities
among Service members at the recommendation of the Secretary of Defense’s Countering
Extremist Activities Working Group (CEAWG), in order to better define extremist activities and
ensure that DoD extremist activities policy is easily understood by both Service members and
commanders.
dod instruction NUMBER 1325.06


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Warning that extremism in the ranks is increasing, Pentagon officials issued detailed new rules Monday prohibiting service members from actively engaging in extremist activities. The new guidelines come nearly a year after some current and former service members participated in the riot at the U.S. Capitol, triggering a broad department review.

According to the Pentagon, fewer than 100 military members are known to have been involved in substantiated cases of extremist activity in the past year. But they warn that the number may grow given recent spikes in domestic violent extremism, particularly among veterans.

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The fact that one in five of those arrested in connection to the Capitol insurrection on
January 6 is partly a legacy of the military’s long-running failure to adequately monitor for
extremist links, address the presence of extremists in its ranks and to inoculate veterans against
adopting extremist ideologies.

Right now, the white supremacist movement in the United States is surging and presents
a distinct and present danger to this country and its institutions, including the Armed Forces. I

I testified before this Committee’s Subcommittee on Military Personnel that those who are indoctrinated into white supremacist ideology present a significant threat to good order, morale, and discipline in the military,
national security, and the safety of our communities. This fact was dramatically illustrated, once again, by the recent arrests of several veterans for their active involvement in the deadly January 6 insurrectionist siege at the U.S. Capitol.

Analyses of two terrorism crime databases show that “rightwing terrorists” are
significantly more likely to have military experience than any other category of terrorists
indicted in U.S. federal courts.” Between 1980 and 2002, 18% of far-right terrorists indicted in
federal courts had military experience. The same study showed that “over 40% of rightwing
terrorists with military experience assumed some position of leadership within their
organization,” making them more than twice as likely to end up in leadership than someone
without military training.

Despite the fact that the path between the military and the white power movement is well
worn, the U.S. military has consistently chosen to ignore the problem, passed insufficient policy
changes, not enforced policies already on the books that restrict people with extremist views
from serving in the Armed Forces, and failed to take action to deradicalize service members who
are discovered to hold extremist beliefs. Discipline is often left to commanders, making
enforcement of policies uneven.2

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Old 12-20-2021, 05:12 PM
 
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As a proud US veteran, I never witnessed any right wing anything in the 1980s or 1990s, when I served. If I saw anything sketchy, it was enlisted members that had ties to urban gangs.

Now forwarding anything that someone declares extreme, will end with service members coming under intense scrutiny.
The character of the body of enlistees significantly changed after 9/11. There are a lot of other groups that both enlisted and officers have ties with today.
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Old 12-20-2021, 05:31 PM
 
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As a proud US veteran, I never witnessed any right wing anything in the 1980s or 1990s, when I served. If I saw anything sketchy, it was enlisted members that had ties to urban gangs.
Now forwarding anything that someone declares extreme, will end with service members coming under intense scrutiny.
dod instruction NUMBER 1325.06

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Wait, you prefer our military have more minorities die in the military than Caucasians? Because that is what you are formatting in this post. Gang bangers good, White Supremists (cough) bad both serving the Country.
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Old 12-20-2021, 07:09 PM
 
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The definition is extremist activities is pretty broad, precise, but broad, seriously doubt it is only "right wing" given the definitions in the provided document.

The US trains all sorts, I mean look at many of the Taliban members, former US trained Afghan forces, lol.
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Old 12-20-2021, 08:07 PM
 
Location: The Sunshine State of Mind
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Wait, you prefer our military have more minorities die in the military than Caucasians? Because that is what you are formatting in this post. Gang bangers good, White Supremists (cough) bad both serving the Country.
I have no preference. What I see is an industry trying to find a problem where 1 doesn't exist at the level they are trying to portray. It's a facade to try to appear woke.

If the military wants to go after an actual boogeyman, target the males that sexually harass the junior enlisted females. I bet there are easily 10 times more creeps than there are klansmen.
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Old 12-20-2021, 08:31 PM
 
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I have no preference. What I see is an industry trying to find a problem where 1 doesn't exist at the level they are trying to portray. It's a facade to try to appear woke.

If the military wants to go after an actual boogeyman, target the males that sexually harass the junior enlisted females. I bet there are easily 10 times more creeps than there are klansmen.
It's been over twenty years since you served. I retired myself in 1999, and I was the tail end of the Vietnam generation, and the young troops at the time I retired were greatly different from what I had been.

People who were new recruits when you served have already retired. It's a whole additional generation beyond that you knew.
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Old 12-21-2021, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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Analyses of two terrorism crime databases show that “rightwing terrorists” are
significantly more likely to have military experience than any other category of terrorists
indicted in U.S. federal courts.” Between 1980 and 2002, 18% of far-right terrorists indicted in
federal courts had military experience. The same study showed that “over 40% of rightwing
terrorists with military experience assumed some position of leadership within their
organization,” making them more than twice as likely to end up in leadership than someone
without military training.
This reminds me of a plot point from The Spook Who Sat By The Door, where the ex CIA officer advisor for the revolution told his young folks to answer their draft calls and volunteer for infantry and combat engineering to be ready for the coming battles
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Old 12-21-2021, 06:58 AM
 
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Post Media has politicized military

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I have no preference. What I see is an industry trying to find a problem where 1 doesn't exist at the level they are trying to portray. It's a facade to try to appear woke.

If the military wants to go after an actual boogeyman, target the males that sexually harass the junior enlisted females. I bet there are easily 10 times more creeps than there are klansmen.
You’re on the right track despite others that think today’s military is corrupt and worse for fighting 20 years in a war that ended as a debacle in fleeing Afghanistan. For the past five years, the angle by main stream media has been to paint the military as more extremists. Google articles to see for yourself. Here is one of many: https://wsau.com/2021/12/20/pentagon...remist-groups/

Ten years ago, the media was simply pushing the agenda of the military as becoming more democrats vs republicans. https://swampland.time.com/2012/11/0...an-republican/

Back to the memo, the earlier revision to this memo was right after January 6th, and Biden (or his people) wanted to send a message to the military that anyone supporting January 6th was bad. All of us were floored there was military there at the capitol on January 6th. Everyone expects the occasional old retiree to be part of any activity but not active duty. It’s interesting, again, on this re-re-write, that it doesn’t list organizations or even describe organizations. Antifa and Ku Klux would make that list.

The lines for military and politics (at least below Senior ranks) have been solid lines for years. And the memo you reference is a way to thicken that line. The timing of this latest revision is a bit odd considering the “9-11 type commission “ is not done with publishing their report (referencing the January 6th commission).

The overall angle, that is not described in the memo, is that the military cannot have political actors. The memo wasn’t designed to prevent gangs since that’s already on the books. The gangs that have filtered into the military, and have killed outside Ft Hood, are again included but that wasn’t the purpose with the latest revision.

The military political leanings have changed. In the 90’s, Republican support and consensus was over 80%. Nobody was supporting Clinton and his troops cuts, budget cuts and mismanaged Bosnia/Yugo “deployments”. Recall that political bumper stickers were the topic of discussion in the 90’s. The extremist back then had a %$& Clinton bumper sticker.

The military continues to be more politicized and the whether more generals write tell-all books while in office, troops stay in Germany or not, or get vaccinated or booted. It’s more politics at the delight of the media. The military politicization will continue to get more worse before it gets better. It’s almost as if you have to pick a side.
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Old 12-21-2021, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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This reminds me of a plot point from The Spook Who Sat By The Door, where the ex CIA officer advisor for the revolution told his young folks to answer their draft calls and volunteer for infantry and combat engineering to be ready for the coming battles
Oh, that movie! It could never be made today for while I know a Spook is a spy.......that movie is about a token black who used his training, done to show that the agency was progressive, for other than intended purposes.......so the word "Spook" has a double meaning these days........

and I think more people would recognize it for the latter meaning than espionage.

(never seen it but I have read up on it)

To the point at hand, comme ce, comme ca. I went in under the "Kill a Commie for Ronnie" mentality and certainly a lot of my attitude reflected that.....even though I was not as gun ho as some of my Captains might have wished.

But things change over time, both who we are, and that the tricks we did back then may not be accepted now. Such as, my trick of having a porn flick playing in view of the door the security team was going to come through, to distract them for a crucial second so I could get the first shots in.......can one imagine trying to pull that these days?

Sigh.....maybe the military has always been a hotbed for extremists, when viewed from different times. That is, what we did in one era may have been okay but when looked at in other times, it won't be.
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Old 12-21-2021, 11:04 AM
 
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Just remember that anyone who disagrees, even slightly, with the one party system that the left is trying to create, is labeled an extremist.
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