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Old 08-05-2022, 02:23 AM
Location: South of Cakalaki
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Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk View Post
So, were you married with children from 2004 to 2010 and living off your wife's income? Even if you were living on base (not paying rent and utilities), you still couldn't save 90 percent of your pay, unless your wife was working.

Otherwise, how were you talking to a son eight years later about a career in the Air Force?
Oh snap!!

Old 08-05-2022, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk View Post
Whatever "wokism" might be in the military, it's not any more than they will experience in the civilian world anyway.
You can quit your civilian job and get another civilian job the next day. Signing up to serve in the military is a commitment - you can't just say "eh, I don't like this" and quit. You have to tough it out and do what you're told or face the consequences.
Old 08-05-2022, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by springfieldva View Post
You can quit your civilian job and get another civilian job the next day. Signing up to serve in the military is a commitment - you can't just say "eh, I don't like this" and quit. You have to tough it out and do what you're told or face the consequences.
And that next civilian job is still going to be "woke."

"Wokism" is just another Tuesday for Generation Z...it's the water they already swim in, they've been swimming in it all their lives. Their schools were woke, they themselves are either woke or have made their peace with it.
Old 08-05-2022, 09:51 AM
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by randomperson2 View Post
"The Generals who have to take a knee to the politicians in power in order to keep their stars aren’t helping either, if we are honest with ourselves."

Disobedience to lawful civilian leadership is what's commonly known as treason. The military is subordinate to our elected officials, as is only fitting for a free country. Are you posting from Leavenworth?
Nowhere on God's Green Earth is there any sort of lawful order about taking a knee. That is simply mindless or cowering conformity.

And what sort of "charges" are they going to bring someone up on for standing at attention when lesser folks take a knee? Treason? Good luck with that. Check your dictionary.
Old 08-10-2022, 03:27 PM
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Recently, somebody on TV affiliated with (U.S.) education said they're not educating Americans; they're educating globalists. The concept of patriotism, I believe, has been abandoned. So, there goes that incentive.
Old 08-17-2022, 05:25 AM
Location: Great Britain
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Originally Posted by WK91 View Post

Not many people want to serve anymore. Many different reasons, but I feel that it is civilian leadership in DC that is the main problem. They are an absolute embarrassment and what happened in Afghanistan was also an embarrassment. The Generals who have to take a knee to the politicians in power in order to keep their stars aren’t helping either, if we are honest with ourselves. Allowing CRT in the ranks?

Can you blame a young kid for not wanting to serve under that? A big part of the reason why I joined up and served nearly 25 years is because I believed in the ideals of this country. What are the main ideals of the United States in 2022? To spread LGBT across the globe? To enflame Russia by coercing Ukraine into goading them to war?

But if (when) we elect new leaders in DC, I suspect recruiting will get back on track. Of course, NBC and the rest of the media will never tell you any of this. To them, it’s all obesity, drug use, and criminal activity. But recruiting goals have been met as recently as 2020. What’s changed since then? I think we all know the answer.
I don't think recruitment problems are unique to the US, and there are a multitude of reasons for this ranging from the economy and jobs market, military pay and conditions right through to the pandemic, as well as war fatigue, with the US being sick to death of wars after 20 odd years of Iraq and Afghanistan. Some LGBTQ stupidity and woke culture including rather lame recruiting adverts may also play a role, whilst the care and support or lack it. in terms of veterans may also play a role.

In terms of the UK, the British Army was set to lose some personnel, not because of recruitment but because of Global Britain in a Competitive Age, the Integrated Review of Security, Defence, Development and Foreign Policy, which was published before the Ukraine conflict, and may now be the subject of further review, and Liz Truss, who looks set to replace Boris Johnson, as Prime Minister, as already stated that she will re-examine the figures and wants UK defence spending increased from 2% to 2.5%, which equates to a 20% annual increase, and would like to see UK defence spending at 3% by 2030,

Integrated Review - Wikipedia

Everyone is recce, everyone is strike: an organisation for a small but tough British Army - UK Armed Forces Commentary

Defence Secretary Ben Wallace endorses Liz Truss for PM - BBC News

The review wanted to finally move away from traditional cold war style doctrine towards more agile forces backed up with the best technology available, and there was an emphasis on expanding maritime forces with Britain to be the "foremost naval power in Europe", as well as a move towards tech, cyber, Ai and Space.

It should be noted from a historical perspective, that Britain as an island traditionally kept a much smaller army to those of other European powers such as France, Germany and Russia (sometimes half the size), however Britain kept a Navy over twice the size of it's nearest rivals, and as an island power this made a lot of sense.

First Sea Lord's message on Integrated Review - Royal Navy

The British reserve forces 2030 review, was also interesting, and highlighted three levels of forces in relation to reinforcement, operational and strategic, and heralded a more integrated approach in terms of working as part of regular units.

Reserve Forces Review 2030 - Ministry of Defence (UK)

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Old 08-17-2022, 06:15 AM
Location: Great Britain
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Another possible important point is that the size of army is not everything.

For instance, the French Army is responsible for putting out fires in Paris, so 8,500 of their men are actually firemen. The French Army also includes the Marine Corp and Foreign Legion.

Other Army's may include lots of things from bureaucratic units through to military hospitals through to prisons, through to tail end supply and engineering units, whilst other Army's may rely on national resources, civil servants and contracted out services for some of these activities.

Some Army's exclude units such as the British Army which doesn't count 4,000 Gurkha soldiers in it's regular ranks, whilst the 3,500 Military Provost Guard and 2,500 reserves serving in the British Army are also not counted, and the Royal Marines (6,700) are a separate organisation.

Whilst the British have sponsored reserved, a category of reserve created by the Reserve Forces Act 1996, which includes certain support or specialist tasks carried out by trained civilian professionals, and which means they must be part of the reserve forces.

On top of that UK Forces are supported medically by the British NHS, which could quickly be moved to a war time organisation, and has it's roots in WW2 as a military run organisation.

Similarly, the UK doesn't bother with a big military prison system, and only has a military correction centre at Colchester, where there are three types of units, one for those being punished who usually serve a few months and will usually be returned to their units, those that have committed a military offence and have been discharged, however before being discharged they may serve up to 2 years, and finally those who have committed serious offences, and who go before the Civilian Courts. If found guilty they will face immediate discharge and will be handed over to Her Majesty's Prison Service (Civilian).

The UK and US forces also rely on outsourced services, and this has positives and negatives.

It's also alleged that in terms of British recruitment, outsourced companies such as Capita did not preform well, however the pandemic led to further complications, as did the fact recruitment websites were breached, something that lasted for significant periods of time. Capita were brought before Parliament because of these issues, and there was an inquiry resulting in recommendations which in turn led to improving levels of recruitment.

Contract or Command: An analysis of outsourcing in defence - UKDJ

Army and Capita must share blame for soldier recruitment failures - UK Parliament

UK’s army recruitment system closed since March after data breach - The Guardian

So what constitutes an Army can be very different when comparing Army's and in terms of recruitment failures there can be a host of reasons.

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Old 10-04-2022, 05:57 AM
Location: U.S.
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Default Numbers are in. End of fy22

Services had a tough year. Despite the recession, services are anticipating more difficult times for recruiting in fy23. Pouring more money into bonuses and incentives. And… “not lowering any standards”.


There is a monthly summary of Army soldiers flagged and the 90% drop from 2021 to 2022 in PT failures is telling. Not sure how anyone can say the standards are not being lowered when Army PT failures (flagged soldiers) drop from 1,800 flags to less than 200. Keep them in says brass.
Old 10-04-2022, 07:59 AM
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The Navy met their enlisted recruiting goals and were only 200 shy of their officer recruiting goals.

In total, the service recruited 33,442 new active duty sailors in FY22, just exceeding the 33,400 target number accessions for the year. Among Reserve enlisted personnel, the service welcomed 5,442 accessions, significantly down from the 7,400 goal.

The service fell short of its goal for active duty officer accessions by more than 200 people, bringing in 2,298 new officers rather than the 2,507 target
Old 10-04-2022, 11:04 AM
Location: Alaska
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Way to go Marine Corps Lifers!
Quantico, V.A. --
The Marine Corps met its retention goal for fiscal year 2022 early, the first time in 10 years. The objectives of the Marine Corps' retention campaign are to retain the most qualified force by grade and military occupational specialty (MOS) and to support the staffing of all authorized billets. Notably, the Marine Corps met the retention goal while increasing the overall caliber of Marines retained.

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