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Old 10-31-2022, 08:57 AM
 
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Brief article to highlight a restart of a program to help boost army recruits.

https://recruiting.army.mil/News/Art...ent-residents/

Applicants that are non-U.S. Citizens can apply for accelerated naturalization during their initial interview with a recruiting noncommissioned officer. Acceleration is NOT mandatory if not interested in getting citizenship.

Actually, the crisis is and will continue to be retention, not recruiting. All those 2 and 3 year enlistments are coming due already.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/art...is_857968.html
I wonder if its just a question of incentives. Offer more financial, retirement, and educational incentives and I suspect most of the problem would go away.

 
Old 10-31-2022, 10:29 AM
 
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I wonder if its just a question of incentives. Offer more financial, retirement, and educational incentives and I suspect most of the problem would go away.
That I haven’t seen; whether the reduced (modified) retirement system is impacting recruiting or new recruits.
 
Old 11-01-2022, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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That I haven’t seen; whether the reduced (modified) retirement system is impacting recruiting or new recruits.
I would guess we are now to the point that the easily understood retire at 38 at half pay is gone from the recruitment base's consciousness. But then how many enlisted with retire at 38 as their primary reason during the Cold War?

With Federal retirement programs also going through a second round of cut backs and many local governments following in step the defined benefit expectations may be going away for today's teens and young adults.
 
Old 11-02-2022, 07:06 AM
 
Location: South of Cakalaki
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The Army still advertises the retire in 20 years.
 
Old 11-02-2022, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Metro Seattle Area - Born and Raised
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I don’t think that retirement is a significant issue to an 18 y/o or a 19 y/o, who only testing the water on their first enlistment. The issue is the Afghanistan failed retreat, all the negative tweets and YouTube videos of current or former vets making videos of the problem of toxic leadership throughout the entire military.

Today’s youth no longer need to listen to us old farts since they can get info immediately from individuals within their own age group.

I think the Air Force will be fine, as well as the Navy. The Marines is rather small in size, so they will survive. Plus, they have the best recruiting tool out there, their Dress Uniform.

The big loser will be the Army and the numbers do back this up. Honestly, I really do not think the Army can fix its image without a massive reworking on selling the “Army’s Story.” They need to stay away from anything that even smells of WOKE-ism since their last cartoon campaign blew up in their face and has done some serious and long term damage. As I said before, the Army needs to focus cool stuff that an 18 to 20 y/o would like to do, so focus on a Mass-Tac Airborne jump, Blackhawks screaming in on a landing and Troopers jumping off with a purpose, M1 tanks speeding cross country and blowing stuff up. I bet that if the Army could focus on this for two quarters, they would see an increase in interests. Plus, the Army might want to rethink their weight standards for individuals that are clearly not obese, but packing some extra padding… Which can be burnt off in Basic with ease.
 
Old 11-02-2022, 07:43 AM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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I don’t think that retirement is a significant issue to an 18 y/o or a 19 y/o, who only testing the water on their first enlistment. The issue is the Afghanistan failed retreat, all the negative tweets and YouTube videos of current or former vets making videos of the problem of toxic leadership throughout the entire military.

Today’s youth no longer need to listen to us old farts since they can get info immediately from individuals within their own age group.

I think the Air Force will be fine, as well as the Navy. The Marines is rather small in size, so they will survive. Plus, they have the best recruiting tool out there, their Dress Uniform.

The big loser will be the Army and the numbers do back this up. Honestly, I really do not think the Army can fix its image without a massive reworking on selling the “Army’s Story.” They need to stay away from anything that even smells of WOKE-ism since their last cartoon campaign blew up in their face and has done some serious and long term damage. As I said before, the Army needs to focus cool stuff that an 18 to 20 y/o would like to do, so focus on a Mass-Tac Airborne jump, Blackhawks screaming in on a landing and Troopers jumping off with a purpose, M1 tanks speeding cross country and blowing stuff up. I bet that if the Army could focus on this for two quarters, they would see an increase in interests. Plus, the Army might want to rethink their weight standards for individuals that are clearly not obese, but packing some extra padding… Which can be burnt off in Basic with ease.
I agree with you. I think there are enough guys and some women who are attracted to everything you described. Regarding the weight standards, I'm about the size of an average NFL quarterback, 6'4" and 230 lbs. I would be 4 lbs. over the maximum weight limit for my age. In other words, the majority of current NFL players would be over the weight limit.
 
Old 11-02-2022, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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The Army still advertises the retire in 20 years.
You still can.
 
Old 11-02-2022, 08:08 AM
 
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I don’t think that retirement is a significant issue to an 18 y/o or a 19 y/o, who only testing the water on their first enlistment. The issue is the Afghanistan failed retreat, all the negative tweets and YouTube videos of current or former vets making videos of the problem of toxic leadership throughout the entire military.

Today’s youth no longer need to listen to us old farts since they can get info immediately from individuals within their own age group.

I think the Air Force will be fine, as well as the Navy. The Marines is rather small in size, so they will survive. Plus, they have the best recruiting tool out there, their Dress Uniform.

The big loser will be the Army and the numbers do back this up. Honestly, I really do not think the Army can fix its image without a massive reworking on selling the “Army’s Story.” They need to stay away from anything that even smells of WOKE-ism since their last cartoon campaign blew up in their face and has done some serious and long term damage. As I said before, the Army needs to focus cool stuff that an 18 to 20 y/o would like to do, so focus on a Mass-Tac Airborne jump, Blackhawks screaming in on a landing and Troopers jumping off with a purpose, M1 tanks speeding cross country and blowing stuff up. I bet that if the Army could focus on this for two quarters, they would see an increase in interests. Plus, the Army might want to rethink their weight standards for individuals that are clearly not obese, but packing some extra padding… Which can be burnt off in Basic with ease.
I agree with most of this, but disagree with the last sentence.

While that last sentence was true in decades past, it's not so true today. Fat is different today. I don't know if it's because kids are fatter at a younger age, so the fact is "old" or if it's because of chemicals/hormones in the food that's made them fat (we do know that estrogen is rampant in foods and drinking water today).

The reason they have weight standards for Basic today is because that fat is not burning off in Basic the way it used to.
 
Old 11-02-2022, 08:14 AM
 
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... the Army might want to rethink their weight standards for individuals that are clearly not obese, but packing some extra padding… Which can be burnt off in Basic with ease.
They want to schedule 10-weeks for Basic training. If you get a bunch of recruits who need to be held back 4 or 5 weeks as they burn off the extra pounds. That creates a huge clog in the pipeline.
 
Old 11-02-2022, 08:35 AM
 
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I agree with most of this, but disagree with the last sentence.

While that last sentence was true in decades past, it's not so true today. Fat is different today. I don't know if it's because kids are fatter at a younger age, so the fact is "old" or if it's because of chemicals/hormones in the food that's made them fat (we do know that estrogen is rampant in foods and drinking water today).

The reason they have weight standards for Basic today is because that fat is not burning off in Basic the way it used to.
Fat isn't different today, people just have a lot more of it. I can show you a high school football team that has 4 players over 315 lbs. One of these players was 370 lbs. last year, but slimmed down. And these are guys playing a sport. When I was in high school in the early 1970s, the biggest guy on my football team was 225 lbs. There are numerous reasons for the huge increase in obesity, but it will burn off with proper diet and exercise. The example I gave is from an undefeated championship level high school football team. Almost half the team would not meet the weight standard for the 17-20 age group. For example, the maximum weight for an average 5'9" male in that age group is 175 lbs. That boy could be a muscular football player or he could be a flabby video game player.
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