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Old 02-21-2023, 10:01 AM
 
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Daughter and sister of a vet here. I think it goes in cycles as far as recruitment goes. Plus, it seems like everyone wants to be a Youtube or Tick Tock star because they figure it's easy and and makes a lot of money. That's why they don't want to work because mom and dad did everything for them. Our parents told us three kids, "The world doesn't owe you a living".

Of course there are a lot of patriotic young men and women out there, and other hard working young people, so don't give up hope.
Besides it is all over. As a Catholic, we have this issue with religious orders of women too, don't know about mens orders.
Those orders who seem to live a traditional community life, a firm apostolate, a deep religious prayer like , and dress either in a traditional habit or some sort of unifying dress, seem to be getting recruits, while others who have completely lost focus on why they were founded in the first place etc. seem to be losing people. It's called making a commitment whether to God, Country or whomever. Look at marriages nowadays. So many kids have parents who have divorced and remarried more than once. Unfortunately it is pervasive throughout our society, but maybe things will get better. I hope this made some sense.

 
Old 02-21-2023, 10:30 AM
 
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It is all fluid.

I first enlisted when the public did not like the US military. During my first ten years, every duty station told us to never wear uniforms off base, because the local civilians would target us.

Then at the beginning of Desert Storm #1 there was a sudden shift, suddenly civilians wanted to show support for the troops. It caught us off-guard. I remember talking to a group f co-workers, we thought it was somehow a prank, that the civilians were only pretending to show support.

Today, at least there are no riots and protests against the military like there were in the 1970s.

There were rallies at many universities. Remember Kent State? The Weathermen bombing. May Day protests. Do we all remember: "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?"

Next week there will be some random event that will galvanize America to become patriotic once again, for a short time.

The Dude abides.
 
Old 02-21-2023, 02:08 PM
 
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It is all fluid.

I first enlisted when the public did not like the US military. During my first ten years, every duty station told us to never wear uniforms off base, because the local civilians would target us.

Then at the beginning of Desert Storm #1 there was a sudden shift, suddenly civilians wanted to show support for the troops. It caught us off-guard. I remember talking to a group f co-workers, we thought it was somehow a prank, that the civilians were only pretending to show support.

Today, at least there are no riots and protests against the military like there were in the 1970s.

There were rallies at many universities. Remember Kent State? The Weathermen bombing. May Day protests. Do we all remember: "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?"

Next week there will be some random event that will galvanize America to become patriotic once again, for a short time.

The Dude abides.
I agree, but I also think things are worse today because of points Sluggo16 made.

More youth today are disaffected from everything that might entail giving out more than they're getting back any given day. They're more inclined to walk away from jobs at the drop of a hat. The military isn't something they can just walk away from on the day they decide it's too much trouble, so they're even less inclined to make the oath.

Is that every kid? Of course not.

But that attitude is far more pervasive today than it's ever been before.
 
Old 02-21-2023, 03:45 PM
 
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“Revered but not relevant” seems really hard to believe to me. I believe they aren’t revered, nor relevant.

Why are they not revered? Their families don’t respect the current administration, partly due to the AFG surrender, partly due to policy.

In the past, when a kid wanted to join, his family was proud of him. Now, some even try to talk him out of it. But even if they don’t try to talk him out of it, they definitely aren’t excited about him serving the current administration.

Even though joining was the best thing I ever did, I’m not sure in this current climate if I would have joined. Which would’ve been a shame because I probably couldn’t have done better on my own without the military.

My advice to anyone out there who has reservations about joining, I’d tell them to fight through those thoughts and give it a try. One, it might work out good for you. Two, we don’t know the future, and future administrations might be better than this one.
People are different. I could never have recommended to anyone they serve under our last Commander in Chief. Many thought he was crazy.
 
Old 02-21-2023, 04:13 PM
 
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People are different. I could never have recommended to anyone they serve under our last Commander in Chief. Many thought he was crazy.
Administrations come and go. They are like diarrhea.
 
Old 02-21-2023, 04:47 PM
 
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Administrations come and go. They are like diarrhea.
Yeah, most troops who serve only one term will wind up overlapping presidential terms. And, of course, careerists for sure.

My career spanned six presidents.
 
Old 02-21-2023, 05:32 PM
 
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Yeah, most troops who serve only one term will wind up overlapping presidential terms. And, of course, careerists for sure.

My career spanned six presidents.
You got me beat.

I only served under five of them.

Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, and Clinton.
 
Old 02-21-2023, 06:00 PM
 
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You got me beat.

I only served under five of them.

Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, and Clinton.
I was in early enough to catch Nixon.
 
Old 02-22-2023, 12:07 AM
 
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People are different. I could never have recommended to anyone they serve under our last Commander in Chief. Many thought he was crazy.
Yet the recruiting goals were met under the last administration and they are not being met now.

I’ll just leave it at that.

Not trying to turn this political, just stating that one fact.
 
Old 02-23-2023, 04:30 PM
 
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Maybe but having been a Physical Fitness Coordinator when it first came out, well, A and B. A: For one large officer, I heard a lot of gripping from the ranks that they were on the program and he was not. B: When the Captain dodged me to schedule his PFT, he told me that I didn't sign his Fitrep.

As far as getting the job, well, a few things. That's what happens to the shi**y little job officer. I got it because no one else would do it and rather, "that's what I was there for". But on the other hand, I was an aerobic dancer and very well suited for the job. Lots of people were faster than me but no one could out distance me. I was the "Sweat is Sexy!" type.

But, then again, what is it people want to see? Toward the end of my ship tour, I was assigned as something of an XO's assistant and came back after morning "Fat Boy" running (in port, got up at 3 or so to run my miles, got to the ship before 0600 to run them at reveille) and shower still sweating out my khakis. I didn't mind that because that was the way my body worked. The XO, however, did not want anyone to see me in that state, denied me attending Quarters, and told me to, essentially, sit down till I cooled down.



I think your XO's priorities were WAY out of line. Khakis are made to be sweated on, at least at certain times. If he was any good, he would have got up at 0200, and ran 7 miles, just to be able to say none of his people trained any harder than he did.

Anyway sorry for the digression...although this XO's preference for appearance over performance would be another thing that might get your best people to leave at the next opportunity.
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