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Old 09-17-2023, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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Lots of countries currently have recruitment problems at the moment especially in the West and in places with on-going unpopular wars such as Russia.

This recruitment issue is more prevalent in the US because the US has a higher percentage of the population serving in uniform when compared to many other countries.

Some countries have used the downturn to embrace change and to review defence strategies and policies, or have downsized to become leaner rather than lower standards, and it should be noted that modern armed forces are far very different in terms of specialisms and the use of technology, when compared to WW2 or even when compared to the Cold War.

Forces generators from more integrated reserves and new technology can also help lessen the effects of lower recruitment, as can the contracting out of certain services as well as tail to teeth initiatives.
Interesting that the largest standing army is Vietnam. I kind of like the idea that we are courting them. I like to keep trying to put a wedge between them and China.

Rank Country Total Personnel Total (Per 1000 Capita) Active (Per 1000 Capita)
1 Vietnam 10,522,000 108.4 5
2 North Korea 7,769,000 306.1 50.4
3 South Korea 6,712,500 130.5 11.6
4 India 5,137,500 4 1.1
5 China 4,015,000 2.9 1.6
6 Russia 3,568,000 25.1 7.1
7 United States 2,133,050 6.5 4.2
8 Brazil 2,101,500 10.1 1.8
9 Taiwan 1,831,800 77.8 6.9
10 Pakistan 1,495,000 7.2 3.1

 
Old 09-17-2023, 10:32 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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Interesting that the largest standing army is Vietnam. I kind of like the idea that we are courting them. I like to keep trying to put a wedge between them and China.

Rank Country Total Personnel Total (Per 1000 Capita) Active (Per 1000 Capita)
1 Vietnam 10,522,000 108.4 5
2 North Korea 7,769,000 306.1 50.4
3 South Korea 6,712,500 130.5 11.6
4 India 5,137,500 4 1.1
5 China 4,015,000 2.9 1.6
6 Russia 3,568,000 25.1 7.1
7 United States 2,133,050 6.5 4.2
8 Brazil 2,101,500 10.1 1.8
9 Taiwan 1,831,800 77.8 6.9
10 Pakistan 1,495,000 7.2 3.1
I think those figures are highly questionable, even if you include all forces, reserves and paramilitary units.

List of countries by number of military and paramilitary personnel - Wikipedia

As for Vietnam it is working with other countries in the region and the west in relation to military and economic cooperation, and it is part of the CPTPP along with the likes of Australia, New Zealand, Canada and Britain.
 
Old 09-17-2023, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Interesting that the largest standing army is Vietnam. I kind of like the idea that we are courting them. I like to keep trying to put a wedge between them and China.

Rank Country Total Personnel Total (Per 1000 Capita) Active (Per 1000 Capita)
1 Vietnam 10,522,000 108.4 5
2 North Korea 7,769,000 306.1 50.4
3 South Korea 6,712,500 130.5 11.6
4 India 5,137,500 4 1.1
5 China 4,015,000 2.9 1.6
6 Russia 3,568,000 25.1 7.1
7 United States 2,133,050 6.5 4.2
8 Brazil 2,101,500 10.1 1.8
9 Taiwan 1,831,800 77.8 6.9
10 Pakistan 1,495,000 7.2 3.1
Each nation is allowed to tally these numbers differently.

Finland requires that all males 18yo - 60yo are enlisted, trained, and armed.

Norway requires all adults 18yo - 44yo [male and female] (in wartime the age limit is 55)

Just because you can issue a single-shot rifle to every citizen when they are 18yo does not mean that your entire population counts as a military.
 
Old 09-17-2023, 11:06 AM
 
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How much of this is the recruiters failure /fault? My neighor's kid wants to be a doctor. I suggested he inquire about the Armed Forces Health Professions Scholarship Program (HPSP). He did. All the recruiter did was emphasize the financial aspect of the program which are good, but failed to emphasize the challenges of medical profession in the military and how one's idea of service to the Republic can play a part. My cousin, who is a retired USN Commander and whose wife was a USN nurse, reached out to him as did another neighbor who is a retired USN epidemiologist. Once retired from the USN, he then became an epidemiologist for the state. Now the young man is is seriously considering HPSP - specifically wants the USN, but the recruiter wasn't much good.
 
Old 09-17-2023, 12:35 PM
 
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How much of this is the recruiters failure /fault? My neighor's kid wants to be a doctor. I suggested he inquire about the Armed Forces Health Professions Scholarship Program (HPSP). He did. All the recruiter did was emphasize the financial aspect of the program which are good, but failed to emphasize the challenges of medical profession in the military and how one's idea of service to the Republic can play a part. My cousin, who is a retired USN Commander and whose wife was a USN nurse, reached out to him as did another neighbor who is a retired USN epidemiologist. Once retired from the USN, he then became an epidemiologist for the state. Now the young man is is seriously considering HPSP - specifically wants the USN, but the recruiter wasn't much good.
I’m not sure how the USN does it, but I have a really close friend who was a USAF recruiter, and he did well recruiting regular airmen, then he became a USAF health professions recruiter. They would specialize in recruiting future doctors and nurses.

So maybe that’s the answer? You need to find the right kind of recruiter? Again, not sure how the USN does it.

But I seem to recall my friend talk much more in depth than just emphasizing what the recruiter you mentioned did.
 
Old 09-17-2023, 12:37 PM
 
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How much of this is the recruiters failure /fault? My neighor's kid wants to be a doctor. I suggested he inquire about the Armed Forces Health Professions Scholarship Program (HPSP). He did. All the recruiter did was emphasize the financial aspect of the program which are good, but failed to emphasize the challenges of medical profession in the military and how one's idea of service to the Republic can play a part. My cousin, who is a retired USN Commander and whose wife was a USN nurse, reached out to him as did another neighbor who is a retired USN epidemiologist. Once retired from the USN, he then became an epidemiologist for the state. Now the young man is is seriously considering HPSP - specifically wants the USN, but the recruiter wasn't much good.

My recruiter wasn't much good describing what my job would look like or what the challenges of military intelligence would be. I'll bet if someone wanted to be a veterinarian, the average storefront recruiter couldn't give them much tailored information (hint: Only the Army has veterinarians, but Army vets serve in all services).


Why do you think any single recruiter should be able to talk about the "challenges" every military occupation?
 
Old 09-17-2023, 12:40 PM
 
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We defeated the wartime governments in Germany and Japan and installed governments to our liking. The current Vietnam government is the government we claimed was intolerable.



There are certainly economic and other reasons for the decline in recruitment, however there are two other factors that do give it a political slant:

1. A great proportion, at least half, of recruits have traditionally come from the South.

2. A great proportion of recruits have traditionally come from the families of people who have been active duty or who have come into contact with people who have been active duty, and were encouraged to enlist by those people.

Politics most certainly plays a role in those two factors. I have loved my lifelong association with the military, and I loved my 26 years on active duty. I still enjoy my continuing recognition as a veteran.

But how enthusiastically can I recommend it right now to a young person? I'm in contact with a lot of veterans, and in some recent straw polls in a couple of online veteran forums I'm in, no veterans were willing to encourage young people to enlist. None. Not one.

I'd have a lot of caveats for that young person. I wouldn't tell anyone to make it a first choice right now.
Even though I have a very negative opinion of where we are headed, and I despise the current policies, I still would recommend service to any young person.

The benefits of setting yourself up for a lifetime of success still outweighs the idiots who are in charge of policy right now.

But I can fully understand many veterans being fed up.
 
Old 09-17-2023, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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This is where I got those numbers.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ize-by-country
 
Old 09-17-2023, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I have no exposure to the Armed Forces Health Professions Scholarship Program (HPSP).

I was exposed to very few MD doctors in the Navy during my career.

The first one was at MEPs, an Asian immigrant who was commissioned in the US Navy.

I served on a sub tender for 3 years, where I knew many HM Corpsmen. Their Department Head was a doctor, but I never saw him/her. From what they described, the doctor went to officer call at 8am, stayed in the wardroom until after lunch, and then briefly visited the medical department to oversee how the HM corpsmen had done that day.

While serving on that tender I had a few broken bones and a few sutures. One time they needed to refer me to an actual doctor so I was sent into town to be seen by a civilian doctor.

Then during my retirement physical, a doctor wandered in during my physical to ask me a couple of questions and he signed my physical.

My understanding of doctors in the military was that if medical school students had difficulty maintaining high enough grades to comply with their scholarships, they could sign up with ROTC, which would contract them to serve in uniform [or with the VA] for 6 years after graduation.
 
Old 09-17-2023, 03:41 PM
 
Location: U.S.
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Default Air Force to miss recruiting goals

This article says the Air Force is going to miss their recruiting goals and the article explains the 1000+ additional lenient waivers that are being given for drug use and medical issues.

What’s weird I. This article is it states first time in 20+ years for missing Air Force recruiting but then it says this year is better than last year. So…. Either way, here is the article.

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/air-f...me-since-1999/
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