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Old 05-05-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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Hey... what was that about the Fox Valley being so much better and safer than Milwaukee?

Police: 4 dead, including suspect, in Menasha shooting



Here's a debate for "reasonable and open minded" people. If Milwaukee is so dangerous and terrible, why do we not have mass shootings of the type that have happened in Oak Creek, Brookfield, and now Menasha?
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Old 05-05-2015, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Southwest Minneapolis
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Hey... what was that about the Fox Valley being so much better and safer than Milwaukee?

Police: 4 dead, including suspect, in Menasha shooting



Here's a debate for "reasonable and open minded" people. If Milwaukee is so dangerous and terrible, why do we not have mass shootings of the type that have happened in Oak Creek, Brookfield, and now Menasha?
Since you asked...

Those three random events took place over the course of just about three years and cover a span of over 100 miles. In that time, Milwaukee has had well over 300 homicides, all of which took place within a 10 mile radius.

While Mass shootings are terrible and tragic, there is no established pattern in which they occur. The same cannot be said of homicides in Milwaukee. It's a nice talking point to say that the violent crime is contained within a few small areas of the city. The homicide maps beg to differ:

News - Crime - Homicide Tracker - JSOnline.com

Prior to the incidents in 2012, Oak Creek had gone seven years without a homicide and Brookfield five. I believe the recent incident was Menasha's first homicide since 2008.
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Old 05-05-2015, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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Since you asked...

It's a nice talking point to say that the violent crime is contained within a few small areas of the city. The homicide maps beg to differ:
They occur mostly in one big area of the city (near north side) and in some smaller areas. There are significant sections of the north side, east side, downtown, west side, and south side that don't show homicides on the map. Also, there's the sad truth that the victims of the homicides tend to be youngish black males. No one seems to be going after the Brewer's Hill yuppies, the Bay View blue collars or the middle class families in Story Hill.
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Old 05-06-2015, 12:45 PM
 
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Since you asked...

Those three random events took place over the course of just about three years and cover a span of over 100 miles. In that time, Milwaukee has had well over 300 homicides, all of which took place within a 10 mile radius.

While Mass shootings are terrible and tragic, there is no established pattern in which they occur.
That's a "nice little talking point" too (and a great example of Minnesota passive aggression on your part), but we all know that mass shootings tend to happen in predominantly white areas where everyone thinks "things like that don't happen here," and are usually committed by white men (operative word is "usually," before you start in with obvious exceptions like Virginia Tech or the DC sniper).

Frankly, I'm not sure what your point about the 100 miles is. Are there actually any significant differences between Brookfield, Oak Creek, and Menasha demographically or culturally?


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The same cannot be said of homicides in Milwaukee. It's a nice talking point to say that the violent crime is contained within a few small areas of the city. The homicide maps beg to differ:

News - Crime - Homicide Tracker - JSOnline.com

Prior to the incidents in 2012, Oak Creek had gone seven years without a homicide and Brookfield five. I believe the recent incident was Menasha's first homicide since 2008.
Actually, your map just proved my point. I counted exactly three homicides east of the freeway... the most densely populated part of the city that would be bigger than every other city in Wisconsin if it were its own city (with the possible exception of Madison).

I also counted only 6 homicides south of the freeway. In short... you're reaching.
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Old 05-06-2015, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Minnesota (Blaine)
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Milwaukee dangerous? Ha ha ha no. You want to see danger just drive south an hour or so.
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Old 05-06-2015, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Southwest Minneapolis
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Milwaukee dangerous? Ha ha ha no. You want to see danger just drive south an hour or so.
Actually, the crime rates in Milwaukee and Chicago are strikingly similar, even using a decade plus sample size:

//www.city-data.com/crime/crime...Wisconsin.html

//www.city-data.com/crime/crime...-Illinois.html


As far as the homicides that have taken place east and south of the freeway. I'm not too impressed that there's "only" been 9 homicides in those areas through the first four months of the year. As of May 1st, the entire city of Minneapolis (including the 'hood) had a total of 8 homicides.
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Old 05-07-2015, 11:54 AM
 
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Laverne and Shirley have long since taken their act to Waukesha, since the breweries no longer have such a strong foothold in the city..
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Old 05-07-2015, 11:57 AM
 
Location: SC
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Becase Lenny And Squiggy are bad dudes.
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Old 05-07-2015, 12:31 PM
 
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Since you asked...

Those three random events took place over the course of just about three years and cover a span of over 100 miles. In that time, Milwaukee has had well over 300 homicides, all of which took place within a 10 mile radius.

While Mass shootings are terrible and tragic, there is no established pattern in which they occur. The same cannot be said of homicides in Milwaukee. It's a nice talking point to say that the violent crime is contained within a few small areas of the city. The homicide maps beg to differ:

News - Crime - Homicide Tracker - JSOnline.com

Prior to the incidents in 2012, Oak Creek had gone seven years without a homicide and Brookfield five. I believe the recent incident was Menasha's first homicide since 2008.
But do you live here? You don't, right? Anyone can look at stats & gasp 'MURDER CAPITOL! DANGER!!" but if you don't actually live in said city, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Is there crime in Milwaukee? Uh, yeah. Duh, it's a city. Is there a lot of crime? Sure, and it happens in usually one certain area, the inner city/parts of the north side. The people who actually LIVE here aren't denying there is crime, no matter how many times a certain poster on here wants to accuse us of doing. What we are realistic about, since we actually LIVE here, is where the crime is happening. And where the crime is happening is continually in a specific area of the city. News: just like any other city in every city of the world. Do I walk around cowering in fear every single time I leave my house? No, because since I LIVE here I KNOW where the more dangerous areas are & I KNOW to keep my eyes open. In fact, I WORK in said area of crime. I'm wary when I go in the area but I'm not a cry baby & I don't walk or talk like a target. Honestly, the way some people post on here, I question whether they've ever left the sanctity of their own home. I don't know how certain people get on in life if they view the world as such a dangerous place.
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Old 05-07-2015, 02:03 PM
 
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But do you live here? You don't, right? Anyone can look at stats & gasp 'MURDER CAPITOL! DANGER!!" but if you don't actually live in said city, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Is there crime in Milwaukee? Uh, yeah. Duh, it's a city. Is there a lot of crime? Sure, and it happens in usually one certain area, the inner city/parts of the north side. The people who actually LIVE here aren't denying there is crime, no matter how many times a certain poster on here wants to accuse us of doing. What we are realistic about, since we actually LIVE here, is where the crime is happening. And where the crime is happening is continually in a specific area of the city. News: just like any other city in every city of the world. Do I walk around cowering in fear every single time I leave my house? No, because since I LIVE here I KNOW where the more dangerous areas are & I KNOW to keep my eyes open. In fact, I WORK in said area of crime. I'm wary when I go in the area but I'm not a cry baby & I don't walk or talk like a target. Honestly, the way some people post on here, I question whether they've ever left the sanctity of their own home. I don't know how certain people get on in life if they view the world as such a dangerous place.
Thanks for stating this. If I see one more question asking if a certain area is safe, I am going to scream!
I have grown up here (in 53206, the most dangerous) and I don't deny there is crime; but I will be damned if it stops me from living in and loving the city itself. Random acts of crime can happen anywhere!
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