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Old 07-17-2010, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Originally Posted by golfgal View Post
I have spent plenty of time in Minneapolis. Just look at the crime logs for both cities to see that things here are much safer. We have basically NO personal crimes and the police logs are full of "found dog" reports. I see no difference in a psychotic man killing someone in a fight then a psychotic man killing his family. The result is the same.

I understand that Minneapolis is larger than Rosemount but I think you will find that for the Suburbs as a WHOLE the amount of crime, personal crimes, assault, murders, etc. is less then what you find in Minneapolis alone, a fact that you city dwellers just don't understand. Most people around here don't even lock their doors (maybe at night but not much during the day). If your garage door is left open you can be certain that your stuff will be there in the morning. You can walk around alone late at night and have no fear of being attacked, mugged, whatever. For as much as you THINK Minneapolis is this safe place I highly doubt as a female you will walk around Minneapolis at 2 AM alone.

Honestly, I don't even see this as a "Rosemount" crime-some nut job from Burnsville shoots a NICE kid when they happen to be in Rosemount.
You know, Golfgal, the precinct of Minneapolis that I live in has had 2 homicides this year, and we have just under 5 times Rosemount's population.

I'm sure if there were a place with crime data my zip, mine (55409) would be very comparable to Rosemount.

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Old 07-17-2010, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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The Cities aren't really dangerous like Detroit, but being large cities, they still have more crime than suburbs or smaller towns. The fact is, large urban areas have higher crime than suburbs and small towns.
 
Old 07-17-2010, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Here's some data comparing some parts of Minneapolis to Rosemount which has an infinitely lower crime than anywhere in Minneapolis, right?

2010 Homicides per 100,000 in precinct 5 of Minneapolis:
2
2010 Homicides per 100,000 in Rosemount:
4.72

My neighborhood in Minneapolis, East Harriet:

July 7, 2009 - July 6, 2010 per 100,000:
Rape: 0
Homicide: 0
Assualt: 25.01
Domestic Assault: 0
Robbery: 50.02

Rosemount:

2007 per 100,000:
Homicide: 0
Rape: 0
Assault: 28
Robbery: 18.7

Apparently thus far in 2010, you're 2.14 times more likely to get murdered in Rosemount that in Minneapolis anywhere west of 35W and south of 94. That's a 214% higher homicide rate!

Looks like Rosemount has a 12% higher assault rate than my Minneapolis neighborhood, but a 62.7% lower robbery rate.

So much for infinitely lower.


Calculations below:

Stevens Square/ Loring Heights- 3,948
Lowry Hill- 3,999
Lowry Hill East- 5,912
East Isles- 3,340
Kewood- 1,501
ECCO- 2,545
CARAG- 5,907
Whittier- 15,455
Lyndale- 7,690
Kingfield- 7,816
East Harriet- 3,999
West Calhoun- 1,865
Linden Hills- 7,370
Fulton- 5,566
Armatage- 4,759
Lynnhurst- 5,613
Tangletown- 4,263
Windom- 4,984
Kenny- 3,493

Total precinct 5 population: 100,025

Homicides in 2010: 2

100,025/100,000: 1

Homicides per 100,000: 2

Rosemount population: 21,197

Homicides in 2010: 1

21,197/100,000: 4.72

Homicides per 100,000: 4.72


East Harriet alone:

Pop: 3,999

Crimes July 7, 2009 - July 6, 2010 (most recent data available.:

Assault: 1
Domestic Assault: 0
Rape: 0
Homicide: 0
Personal Robbery: 0
Business Robbery: 2

100,000/3,999: 25.01

Per 100,000:
Assualt: 25.01
Domestic Assault: 0
Rape: 0
Homicide: 0
Personal Robbery: 0
Business Robbery: 50.02

Rosemount 2007 (most recent available) per 100,000:
Assault: 28
Rape: 0
Homicide: 0
Robbery: 18.7



Minneapolis Population Data: Census 2000
Minneapolis Crime Data: Minneapolis Police Department (Precinct 5 Crime Maps)
Rosemount Data: city-data.com

Last edited by DaPerpKazoo; 07-17-2010 at 01:17 PM..
 
Old 07-17-2010, 01:10 PM
 
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The Cities aren't really dangerous like Detroit, but being large cities, they still have more crime than suburbs or smaller towns. The fact is, large urban areas have higher crime than suburbs and small towns.
It's not that easy. If you take a look at other parts of the country there are small towns with extremely high crime rates, and in some areas there are suburbs with higher crime rates than cities. Suburbs (not all, certainly, but not all city neighborhoods have these problems, either) are dealing with many of the classic issues of tough inner city neighborhoods. Given that there's now more crime outside of Minneapolis than in it, it's reasonable to expect that some of the crime that, unfortunately, is often found in places with higher poverty is going to also migrate to the 'burbs. Is Rosemount likely to be facing gang-related drive by shootings anytime soon? No, of course not, but neither are many urban neighborhoods. It's kind of pointless to lump together all of the Twin Cities suburbs into one group. It's just way too diverse of a group, without necessarily anything more than the classification of "suburb" to tie them together. If someone were to say "I'm going to move to the suburbs because I'll be safer there," they might discover that (depending on where they're moving from and where they're moving to) they're increasing their odds of being a victim of crime, not lowering it.
 
Old 07-17-2010, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Cleveland bound with MPLS in the rear-view
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Does anyone know what the total count for St. Paul is for the year? I thought it was closer to 15 but I saw something more like 11 from an undocumented source.

By the way, according to the Strib, a 3rd victim died today from that shooting. That always makes me sad when people suffer so long!
 
Old 07-17-2010, 04:00 PM
 
Location: MN
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I agree with Slig's post.
 
Old 07-17-2010, 04:51 PM
 
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this dosent happen all the time. the twincities are as safe as you can get. there are millions of people so things like this will happen sometimes. people act like everytime a murder happens that its time to move out of the twincities. rosemount wont see another homicide for a good 3 years and highland park wont see a triple homicide for another 20 years.
 
Old 07-17-2010, 05:02 PM
 
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Some of that is true.
 
Old 07-18-2010, 03:28 AM
 
Location: MN
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Most of it is true.
 
Old 07-18-2010, 08:05 AM
 
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Originally Posted by golfgal View Post
I have spent plenty of time in Minneapolis. Just look at the crime logs for both cities to see that things here are much safer. We have basically NO personal crimes and the police logs are full of "found dog" reports. I see no difference in a psychotic man killing someone in a fight then a psychotic man killing his family. The result is the same.

I understand that Minneapolis is larger than Rosemount but I think you will find that for the Suburbs as a WHOLE the amount of crime, personal crimes, assault, murders, etc. is less then what you find in Minneapolis alone, a fact that you city dwellers just don't understand. Most people around here don't even lock their doors (maybe at night but not much during the day). If your garage door is left open you can be certain that your stuff will be there in the morning. You can walk around alone late at night and have no fear of being attacked, mugged, whatever. For as much as you THINK Minneapolis is this safe place I highly doubt as a female you will walk around Minneapolis at 2 AM alone.

Honestly, I don't even see this as a "Rosemount" crime-some nut job from Burnsville shoots a NICE kid when they happen to be in Rosemount.
So you "spent time" in Minneapolis, big deal. I have lived in South Minneapolis for over 25 years. Am a female and have walked around at 2am alone etc. Stop trying to make it seem like the whole city of Minneapolis is like living in the Phillips neighborhood or something.

You are some white woman in the suburbs. Get your facts straight before you post this nonsense based on fear that you get from the 10 o'clock news.

You don't lock your doors over there in your safe little neighborhood? I think that you are a fool if you don't lock your doors ANYWHERE!. I grew up on a Wisconsin dairy farm. We locked our doors there because that is the sensible thing to do.
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