11-16-2011, 09:38 AM
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Say what you want about crappy products on the field, but the Chiefs have been irrelevant for forever and they still manage to put 70,000 into a stadium. Make a great atmopshere and people will come. That's what happened with the Wild at the X and that's how the Twins still brought in over 3,000,000 fans last year with a crap team.
It certainly says something about the Chiefs and their inability to improve their team for the fans, then. I'm simply pointing out that fans have the right to have waning support for a team when the team doesn't perform up to standards. If some other team gets lots of support despite a horrible record, good for them. They've found some way to lure people in, despite being horrible. But that certainly blows the poor performance is due to lack of funds from attendance out of the water.
11-16-2011, 05:31 PM
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And that's probably why those teams continue to be horrible. You continue to go to the games despite the terrible product on the field, so why would ownership make any changes? They are still making money hand over fist. And at the end of the day, pro sports are a business and no matter what ownership tells you, their first and foremost interest is making money, not doing things to please you.
11-16-2011, 07:15 PM
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I don't know if this was a possibility but I wanted them to be called the "Minnesota Blizzards".
I could envision a wonderful blue sweater with lace up collar with a big white snowflake as the logo.
I think it would have been great and it would have been a noun
11-16-2011, 07:42 PM
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I don't know if this was a possibility but I wanted them to be called the "Minnesota Blizzards".
I could envision a wonderful blue sweater with lace up collar with a big white snowflake as the logo.
I think it would have been great and it would have been a noun
Well, 'wild' is also a noun, meaining something akin to wilderness. Thus, the book and film,
Into The Wild . And given that the wild (ie, the thing that is the noun) is pictured on the team logo, I think its safe to say that the team nickname in this case is a noun.
11-16-2011, 07:47 PM
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Well, 'wild' is also a noun, meaining something akin to wilderness. Thus, the book and film, Into The Wild . And given that the wild (ie, the thing that is the noun) is pictured on the team logo, I think its safe to say that the team nickname in this case is a noun.
I'll go along with that. I still think the "Blizzards" would have been better. The lead in to the game could have been the sound of wind and snow.
Also, imagine "The Blizzards face off against the Avalanche tonight"
11-16-2011, 08:12 PM
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And that's probably why those teams continue to be horrible. You continue to go to the games despite the terrible product on the field, so why would ownership make any changes? They are still making money hand over fist. And at the end of the day, pro sports are a business and no matter what ownership tells you , their first and foremost interest is making money, not doing things to please you.
Who doesn't know this?
I thought that they were charging $7.25 a beer so they can
not make a profit.
11-16-2011, 08:43 PM
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They had 7800 attendance for one season. Over the life of the team, the attendance was good, particularly for the 1970's, when attendance across the board for pro sports was MUCH lower than it is today. Look at some of the season attendance numbers for baseball for example in those days - it's inconceivable to think of such low numbers today.
That said, the reason for Green moving the team is fairly complex. The book Stadium Games details it fairly well, along with most of the other pro sports issues in the Twin Cities dating back to the 1950's.
In a nutshell, Green acquired the team in an odd swap with Howard Baldwin and some others. The NHL has had some pretty shaky ownership groups over the years, to this day. IIRC, he did so in the vacuum before Gary Bettman took over the league. Had Green been properly vetted by the league, he likely would have never been approved by the other owners - he simply didn't have the money to own and run a team. What money he did have was tied up in shaky real estate investments in Alberta during a time of low oil prices.
Green wanted a bunch of the land around Met Center, next to the Mall of America, for his own development. Nobody was willing to just give him the land. Then, they tried to work out a sweetheart deal at Target Center for him, but that wasn't possible because the terms of the buyout by the city didn't free up enough revenue to support a hockey team. Then the sexual harassment scandal came to light, and Norm allegedly had pressure from his wife to move out of Minnesota. End result - the North Stars left.
As for the Wild, it's a terrible name, but I'm a big fan. I like the logo (I think it's a bear) too. I really think they should have either named the team the Fighting Saints (and brought back the old WHA logo) or the Vulcans, which also had significant history in the area, but I think there was a trademark issue that prevented that.
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Seriously, who the hell cares? "Wild" is just a name. And it refers to just a hockey team. So what? It's a name that lives or dies with the success of the franchise that owns the name.It's a damned game. Nothing more.
Don't spill your appletini on your duvet.
11-17-2011, 06:29 AM
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Sa-Nap! Now that's how you do a put-down on the Internet!
11-17-2011, 07:06 AM
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Seriously, who the hell cares? "Wild" is just a name. And it refers to just a hockey team. So what? It's a name that lives or dies with the success of the franchise that owns the name.It's a damned game. Nothing more.
continually picked last during phy-ed, huh?
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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