10-11-2012, 04:56 AM
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that's because if you sleep with a women the first night in Minnesota after meeting her at a bar with her friends. bring her and her friends back to your place have sex with them and show no interest afterwords they feel stupid and claim rape.
10-11-2012, 05:08 AM
Location: Bel Air, California
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that's because if you sleep with a women the first night in Minnesota after meeting her at a bar with her friends. bring her and her friends back to your place have sex with them and show no interest afterwords they feel stupid and claim rape.
maybe you need to work on your technique
10-11-2012, 08:21 AM
Location: Minnesota
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The FBI AND the Justice Department both warn about comparing cities. The problem is that there is no "standard" way of reporting things. There's is this theoretical "uniform" system of reports, but cities just don't adhere to it. I wanted to make the same sort of comparisons, but then I read the warnings. I think the thing to do is look at what the law enforcement reports, maybe look at trends, and decide how uncomfortable it makes you. I think the fact is that some places call things "rape" that others don't. PLUS women get more support in some places than another. Some places make the woman's life the issue, and that will chill rape reporting. I don't think things are great here, but I resist the notion that other places that pretend to be better really are. Rape is just not a neutral sort of crime. It is the one crime where defendants uniformly claim there was consent. Imagine someone accused of armed robbery claiming it was a consensual robbery.
10-11-2012, 04:20 PM
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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that's because if you sleep with a women the first night in Minnesota after meeting her at a bar with her friends. bring her and her friends back to your place have sex with them and show no interest afterwords they feel stupid and claim rape.
Thats why you dont bring a girl(s?) to YOUR place for a one night stand.
10-11-2012, 04:48 PM
Location: Minneapolis
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The FBI AND the Justice Department both warn about comparing cities. The problem is that there is no "standard" way of reporting things. There's is this theoretical "uniform" system of reports, but cities just don't adhere to it. I wanted to make the same sort of comparisons, but then I read the warnings. I think the thing to do is look at what the law enforcement reports, maybe look at trends, and decide how uncomfortable it makes you. I think the fact is that some places call things "rape" that others don't. PLUS women get more support in some places than another. Some places make the woman's life the issue, and that will chill rape reporting. I don't think things are great here, but I resist the notion that other places that pretend to be better really are. Rape is just not a neutral sort of crime. It is the one crime where defendants uniformly claim there was consent. Imagine someone accused of armed robbery claiming it was a consensual robbery.
This really is the best explanation. Sexual assault varies considerably in its legal definition from state to state. What some states define as a "rape" falls under the broader definition of sexual assault in other states. In terms of compiling statistical data, some states classify any sexual assault as a rape, while others limit use of the term "rape" to its more narrow definition.
Minneapolis has long been at the forefront of support services for victims of sexual assault. It's a model which has been adopted by many jurisdictions. One of the results is that sexual assault victims here are thought to be more likely to report the crime than are victims in many other cities.
We really can't take any rape statistics as representing actual numbers. Attorney, Alan Dershowitz, has suggested that rape is both the most under-reported crime
and the most over-reported crime. Factor in the political overtones associated with rape studies and statistics, and the numbers become even more distorted. All we know for sure is that sexual assault happens far too often.
10-11-2012, 06:05 PM
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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Thats why you dont bring a girl(s?) to YOUR place for a one night stand.
Yea. It also isn't a good idea when you wake up SOBER, take a look at what the cat (you) dragged in and realize she now knows where you live.
10-11-2012, 08:20 PM
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anyway. like I said its mostly bs. Minneapolis does not have that many real rapes.
10-11-2012, 09:46 PM
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anyway. like I said its mostly bs. Minneapolis does not have that many real rapes.
I'm sure Minneapolis DOES have that many rapes, unfortunately. The issue is more whether or not other cities on the list have so few. Different places, different definitions. I think most people would consider the broader definition to more accurately represent "real rapes".
10-12-2012, 12:38 AM
Location: Minnesota
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When I questioned a rape in my neighborhood with my CPS, he explained it was people who knew each other, implying that there are quite a few rapes that are a relationship gone wrong, not some threat of being jumped by a stranger. Have no idea what the proportions are, but I'm guessing that the number of reported rapes between people with an existing relationship are significant. It is worth knowing because a lot of people estimate "danger" in a location by numbers of violent crimes. But if you eliminate the percentage that will not apply to you, the perception could change. Armed robberies seldom happen between people of long acquaintance, so I think that's more threatening than domestic violence or rape. Don't jump on me and suggest I dismiss rape. This is more about eliciting meaning from crime statistics. I think it is a good idea to understand the people you KNOW. The recent workplace shooting was done by a guy who had been known to his victims for a long period of time. I don't know if he was dreaded as a ticking time bomb, but he wasn't a stranger.
10-14-2012, 03:03 AM
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Looking at the Minnesota state statute 609.342 Criminal Sexual Conduct, the definitions of the first degree, specifically mention "penetration". The second through fifth degrees of Criminal Sexual Conduct are a bit broader in definition, "A person who engages in sexual contact with another person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the second degree if any of the following circumstances exists:" then there are a variety of factors listed, including age, coercion, if a weapon was used, and others. So maybe that might have something to so with the higher number mentioned in Wikipedia and by the OP.
https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/...r#stat.609.342
This source lists all the states, so one can compare the statutes as they are now.
State Rape Laws - FindLaw
NY Times article that mentions Minnesota and the terminology they use compared to other states.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/us...g-rapidly.html
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Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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