Minneapolis-St. Paul Ranked #4th Snobbiest City. (Houston, Cleveland: pros and cons, to move, backyard)

[Minnesota Spring]

Someone must be living in all those new apartments and homes that they are building in Minneapolis.

[Govie]

Originally Posted by Astron1000

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You're right, that was arbitrary. (There are so many numbers to choose from) Putting it another way as a measure of an educated workforce:

Ouch.


St. Paul as a city is second in the entire nation in colleges per capita.

[northsub]

Originally Posted by Minnesota Spring

Someone must be living in all those new apartments and homes that they are building in Minneapolis.

The 2012 estimates do not consider any of the years with increased housing permits in Minneapolis. 2013 estimates do include the 2012 housing permits numbers (first of the increased years). Note that well over half the increase from the 2010 census figure to the 2013 estimate occurred with numbers that do not include ANY of the years with increased residential permit numbers in Minneapolis. Even if we assume that vast numbers of people moved into the buildings permitted in 2013, that would still have absolutely no impact on the census estimates for 2013. Also, the census estimates are using occupancy rates and average household sizes from 2010. So, a change in occupancy rates since then won't affect the census estimates at all. Also, tearing down buildings doesn't affect the census estimates. The census bureau assumes a certain percentage of buildings of each age will be torn down each year. So, replacing existing housing with new housing will overestimate the true gain in housing units, and hence population, because the torn down units are not subtracted.

This is not a claim about the actual population increasing or decreasing, I'm just stating that the estimates aren't being largely affected by the residential permit numbers. I would further argue that the population estimates from 2011-2013 are largely unrelated to anything that is happened in that time span at a city level. There is some amount of looking at migration at a county level. But, then that migration is just proportioned off to each city in the county.

[one is lonely]

I'm really shocked by the pride of Clevelanders on display on this site. I'm used to Detroiters dumping on Detroit, and I figured Cleveland would be similar.

[Ghengis]

Originally Posted by one is lonely

I'm really shocked by the pride of Clevelanders on display on this site. I'm used to Detroiters dumping on Detroit, and I figured Cleveland would be similar.

Well, I'll have you know that Cleveland was the 5th largest city in the US a hundred years or so ago, rivals New York and Paris for cultural dominance and is the home to Drew Carey!

[uptown_urbanist]

Originally Posted by Ghengis

Well, I'll have you know that Cleveland was the 5th largest city in the US a hundred years or so ago, rivals New York and Paris for cultural dominance and is the home to Drew Carey!

RIVALS New York and Paris? How dare you suggest such a thing! We all know Cleveland blows those cities out of the water. Cleveland reigns supreme! Best in the world and don't let any of us forget it.

[Min-Chi-Cbus]

Originally Posted by one is lonely

I say this as a Detroit native and only an occasional visitor of Minneapolis... Minneapolis is definitely #2 in the Midwest after Chicago, and it has the added benefit of being much less of a troubled city than Chicago. I do think the fact that Minneapolis takes such a big dump on other Midwest metros contributes to its snobbery. They tend to look down on the competition, and who likes that?

I disagree....respectfully. If you're basing that notion on the most recent posts in this particular thread, you should know that Cleverfield super-heated everyone by basically calling MSP a sh*thole and propping his beloved Cleveland way up at the same time. Most Minneapolitans aren't quick to put other places down while simultaneously propping up their own city. I'd say most of any "propping" or "homerism" is usually done in self defense from others. Now, that all being said, Minneapolitans -- like everyone else -- are pretty quick to generalize cities like Cleveland, Detroit, Buffalo, etc. as dying Rust Belt has-beens, but as some of us know that's simply over-generalizing things.

[Min-Chi-Cbus]

Originally Posted by Cleverfield

I've acknowledged from the beginning that Minneapolis has a better economy and higher education attainment. However to say that Minneapolis surpasses Cleveland in all measures is simple arrogance, and blatantly wrong. As I've noted in many of my posts, there are many areas outside of the economy where Cleveland surpasses Minneapolis, due to its prior status as a top 5 city, and the legacy institutions and built environment that come with that. We also are a rising culinary hub, with more great dining options than Minneapolis

You can't just make things up like that. Cleveland does not have more fine dining options than Minneapolis (that is to say I highly doubt it). If you seem to think so, I'd like to see some objective analysis that shows # of 4-star restaurants per capita or something that at least gives you some basis for thinking this. I realize Michael Symon is a big-time chef from Cleveland but the Twin Cities isn't exactly Akron.

[uptown_urbanist]

Cleveland could well be a "rising culinary hub," but then, so is Minneapolis.

[urbanologist]

The people in the Twin Cities are some of the nicest people I've seen compared to other cities. Generally, you can have snobs anywhere. NYC when it comes to being snobbish and the center of the universe tops my list. What I like about NYC though is how blunt and up in your face they are about it. Some people may take that as rude but I respect that. The Midwest is generally more laid back and less rush rush uptight compared to what I've seen. Chicago to an extent pretty much looks down on other Midwest cities while NYC looks down on it's region (and nation).