11-19-2012, 06:33 PM
Location: Downtown Toronto, Ontario
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I guess from what I've seen, Minneapolis/Saint Paul doesn't really fall into the 'Rose Nylund' category of what Minnesota is...most of the people I've known from Minneapolis are from other urban areas using their MBA and climbing the corporate ladder until they get transferred to the next larger market area. Once you get outside of Minneapolis/Saint Paul, it's another story, because not everyone has a post-graduate degree or drives a Lexus or shops at Trader Joe's. I think it's like that in any state, but in particular if you are affluent and highly educated there is a lot of money to be made in Minneapolis with all the Fortune 500 companies and such, which is probably why it gives off a really stuck-up feeling - it's not the 'Minnesota Ice' as much as someone else wants to find out who you are and what you have so they can get you out of the way and get it for themselves.
11-19-2012, 08:03 PM
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Toronto416,
I wasn't sure if your post was meant as a reply to my comment but either way ... I somehow doubt that what you describe is a
significant representation of MSP residents. Maybe I just don't want to believe it because we're considering relocating there.
By the way, I only have a bachelor's degree, drive a Nissan, but I would love to have Trader Joe's as an option.
11-19-2012, 08:06 PM
Location: Bel Air, California
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glspringfield
If an outsider can give his perspective ... I haven't lived in MN nor even visited (yet) but I've read a lot about this controversial personality trait and my take is that you all aren't superficial like most people.
well now, that's different....how 'bout this weather, huh?
11-19-2012, 08:47 PM
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I don't get it. Small talk? I don't see that as the same as being superficial, if that's what you're saying.multitude of "friends" who, when it came down to it, wouldn't be there if you really needed them.
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11-20-2012, 06:02 AM
Location: Twin Cities
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glspringfield
If an outsider can give his perspective ... I haven't lived in MN nor even visited (yet) but I've read a lot about this controversial personality trait and my take is that you all aren't superficial like most people.
Just because, while I am willing to be polite to you and help you, I don't want to be all buddy buddy with you from the moment I meet, that doesn't exactly make me "superficial." I want to get to know you before I decide whether or not we can have a meaningful friendship. Friendship means something to me, and it's not something to be dealt with lightly. You don't get it just because you want it.
And let me tell you, they idea of labeling most people in a place that you "haven't lived...or even visited yet" does not bode well for your prospects. I am not sure you appreciate what it means to be reserved. I'd suggest that you focus on making acquaintances. Perhaps some of them will blossom into friendships, but you're going to have to change your judgmental ways or you'll be writing one of those "nobody likes me" posts someday.
11-20-2012, 08:07 AM
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First of all, I think you should try reading my original post again. I'll give you a moment ...
I was actually trying to
defend the reserved nature of MNs by saying you're
not superficial. You've been very helpful, Glenfield, and I really appreciate that ... but I have to say your defensiveness caused you to completely misunderstand my point which was, in fact, the same point you were making!
By the way, I'm not the type that is going to get his feelings hurt because someone doesn't want to make fast friends with me. Please slow down and try to understand what a person is saying before you judge them as fragile and insecure. When I said I didn't "get it" I meant that I didn't get what Ghengis was trying to say. It seemed like he/she was saying that small talk was the same as being superficial.
I actually think that I
get the reserved thing ... I'm actually quite reserved myself and personally don't see much value in a bunch of casual acquaintances that never go anywhere and that a lot of people mistake as real friendships. No, I'm not from MN (I suddenly feel like I should be apologizing for that) but I wasn't attacking anyone! I'm on your side!
Can anyone else please back me up here!? Sheesh.
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11-20-2012, 08:53 AM
Location: Twin Cities
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If an outsider can give his perspective ... I haven't lived in MN nor even visited (yet) but I've read a lot about this controversial personality trait and my take is that you all aren't superficial like most people .
I read your post. I interpreted "you all" to mean the person you were responding to and "most people" to mean most people in MN. If that's not what you meant my response was off base.
11-20-2012, 09:59 AM
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"You All" = MNs. Clearly a misunderstanding. I admire and respect what I've learned about MNs but I think I'll stick to the relocation advice posts. Good grief.
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11-20-2012, 10:50 AM
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JenLee
Ben Around, think of the amount of emotional struggle that would have put us through: "What if we are bothering them?" "What if they have other plans?"
The truth of the matter is that we usually give new neighbors a disposable plate or tray of coffee cake or cookies, etc. (after all, it would be presumptuous of us to give them a dish that they would have to return!); introduce ourselves and then back off so we aren't interfering with them!
I can laugh about how this all sounds to someone not raised this way; but this IS the truth about how many Minnesotans feel: we just don't want to force ourselves on other nor do we want them to feel "beholden" to us.
I think taysantanamama describes the exact same sentiments in his/her post.
Since this thread has been revived, I have to say...this is so. absolutely. true.
Quote:
Originally Posted by glspringfield
Toronto416,
I wasn't sure if your post was meant as a reply to my comment but either way ... I somehow doubt that what you describe is a
significant representation of MSP residents. Maybe I just don't want to believe it because we're considering relocating there.
By the way, I only have a bachelor's degree, drive a Nissan, but I would love to have Trader Joe's as an option.
I think you'll find that most of us are flashy, Lexus-driving (Lexus? Really? I feel like I see a bunch of other luxury car brands more often), sociopaths who want nothing but money and to crush others as we climb the corporate ladder.
Based on my observations being around town, the average person seems to have a bachelor's degree, drive a Volkswagen, and shops at Target.
11-20-2012, 11:47 AM
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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glspringfield
"You All" = MNs. Clearly a misunderstanding. I admire and respect what I've learned about MNs but I think I'll stick to the relocation advice posts. Good grief.
Sounds like a variation of "y'all" to me. Minnesotans don't understand that.
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People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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The truth of the matter is that we usually give new neighbors a disposable plate or tray of coffee cake or cookies, etc. (after all, it would be presumptuous of us to give them a dish that they would have to return!); introduce ourselves and then back off so we aren't interfering with them! 
