Twin Cities traffic congestion getting worse (Evan: transplants, campers, moving to)

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Generally speaking I agree with Glenfield's logic while driving within the 694/494 loop and especially when there is heavy traffic. However, I do think the slow traffic keep right logic is more relevant while using the interstate freeways outside of the Twin Cities metro area. I think for the most part people "get it" but there are always a few people who drive slow in the left lane and cause headaches for others as it mucks up the flow of traffic.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

Generally speaking I agree with Glenfield's logic while driving within the 694/494 loop and especially when there is heavy traffic. However, I do think the slow traffic keep right logic is more relevant while using the interstate freeways outside of the Twin Cities metro area. I think for the most part people "get it" but there are always a few people who drive slow in the left lane and cause headaches for others as it mucks up the flow of traffic.

We are in complete agreement.

[Good Red Road]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

Generally speaking I agree with Glenfield's logic while driving within the 694/494 loop and especially when there is heavy traffic. However, I do think the slow traffic keep right logic is more relevant while using the interstate freeways outside of the Twin Cities metro area. I think for the most part people "get it" but there are always a few people who drive slow in the left lane and cause headaches for others as it mucks up the flow of traffic.

Agreed.

The challenge with this topic is people either confuse or deliberately conflate very different driving scenarios.

It's a given that everyone hates the asleep-at-the-wheel driver in the left hand lane. However, the rush hour tailgater who attempts to bully their way through traffic, when the roads are clearly at capacity, is not only equally hated, but actually more dangerous.

[Ursicinus]

I think what we are disagreeing on, really, is what "asleep at the wheel driver in the left lane" actually means. I'd argue it includes everyone driving exactly the speed limit on down. Some people seem to think it only includes the grandpa going 40 in a 65, in the passing lane.

EDIT: Also, this is worth reading.

[mr roboto]

There are plenty of times within the 694/494 loop where traffic is light enough that a left lane camper can move over. It's not like rush hour exists all the time.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by mr roboto

There are plenty of times within the 694/494 loop where traffic is light enough that a left lane camper can move over. It's not like rush hour exists all the time.

And there are times when Speedy can slow down leave more than 3' between them and the car in front of them too.

[mr roboto]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

And there are times when Speedy can slow down leave more than 3' between them and the car in front of them too.

I feel like you think that people going 10 over are trying to kick your puppy or something.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by mr roboto

I feel like you think that people going 10 over are trying to kick your puppy or something.

Your feelings really don't have much to do with what I think. You should spend more time reading posts and less time reading into them.

Data show that speeding causes more accidents than going too slow. I linked to the data in an earlier post. I doubt you clicked on the link, but that is a fact.

[Thedosius]

I think it's not an either/or, it's a both.

If you aren't passing someone in the left lane and someone is clearly trying to get by you and moving to a slower lane is feasible, you're an ass.

If some ass is driving in the left lane and they're blocking you from getting by so you decide to tailgate them, you're an ass. In fact, you're a stupid ass with f'ed up priorities because whatever seconds or minutes you might save by going 5-10 mph faster for a small stretch of the freeway is not worth endangering your life and the lives of the strangers around you. It shows the kind of self-absorption and disregard for consequences that qualify you to run for President of the United States, and that's simply not the kind of person who should be behind the wheel of a car.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Thedosius

I think it's not an either/or, it's a both.

If you aren't passing someone in the left lane and someone is clearly trying to get by you and moving to a slower lane is feasible, you're an ass.

If some ass is driving in the left lane and they're blocking you from getting by so you decide to tailgate them, you're an ass. In fact, you're a stupid ass with f'ed up priorities because whatever seconds or minutes you might save by going 5-10 mph faster for a small stretch of the freeway is not worth endangering your life and the lives of the strangers around you. It shows the kind of self-absorption and disregard for consequences that qualify you to run for President of the United States, and that's simply not the kind of person who should be behind the wheel of a car.

^Agree. Both are bad though excessive speed is more dangerous. And fortunately our two major presidential candidates don't drive.