Thoughts On Areas That Welcome Diversity (suburbs, racism, health)

[Thedosius]

Partisans are irrelevant- go with meta studies-

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/...dy-racism-jobs

"The researchers deployed a variety of controls to verify their results, from measuring outcomes in different ways to controlling for socioeconomic variables like geography and unemployment rates. But they concluded, “In all models, we see little evidence of a reduction in hiring discrimination against African Americans over time.

One complicating factor may be publication bias. Maybe it’s possible that studies that find no sign of discrimination are simply less likely to be published, since such findings aren’t as shocking. So the researchers sought unpublished studies to include in their analysis. But they found that “[t]heir inclusion did little to affect our estimates.”

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Thedosius

Partisans are irrelevant- go with meta studies-

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/...dy-racism-jobs

"The researchers deployed a variety of controls to verify their results, from measuring outcomes in different ways to controlling for socioeconomic variables like geography and unemployment rates. But they concluded, “In all models, we see little evidence of a reduction in hiring discrimination against African Americans over time.

One complicating factor may be publication bias. Maybe it’s possible that studies that find no sign of discrimination are simply less likely to be published, since such findings aren’t as shocking. So the researchers sought unpublished studies to include in their analysis. But they found that “[t]heir inclusion did little to affect our estimates.”

One thing I’d like to point out when it comes to callbacks for job applicants is going forward alot of that is being automated and replaced with computer algorithms. This will eliminate the possibility of recruiter bias based on applicant name.

[treemoni]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

One thing I’d like to point out when it comes to callbacks for job applicants is going forward alot of that is being automated and replaced with computer algorithms. This will eliminate the possibility of recruiter bias based on applicant name.

They can just code the program to select for certain names. I think having a computer increases the likelihood of discrimination yet decreases a company's liability. You can't claim an "unbiased" computer discriminated against you, and too bad for you that you don't know the background of the coder....

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by treemoni

They can just code the program to select for certain names. I think having a computer increases the likelihood of discrimination yet decreases a company's liability. You can't claim an "unbiased" computer discriminated against you, and too bad for you that you don't know the background of the coder....

That would defeat the entire premise of the technology. Your comment is very Alex Jonesesque.

[Thedosius]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

One thing I’d like to point out when it comes to callbacks for job applicants is going forward alot of that is being automated and replaced with computer algorithms. This will eliminate the possibility of recruiter bias based on applicant name.

Perhaps, though that is only one step of the hiring process and I highly doubt companies will ever rely entirely on an algorithm for the whole thing. In any case the importance of the article is that it points out that the data show a significant racial preference at play in the real world.

[treemoni]

Would it? You're not looking at it from the perspective of the employer. There always has been, and there always will be discrimination in employment. The objective data shows this. There are countless stories where people have submitted the exact same resume with only a difference in the name, and I'll let you guess which applicants are normally put in the "reject" pile.

It is already difficult to prove discrimination. This just makes it harder. I don't care either way. I happen to believe that what's meant for you is meant for you and no human being can stop it. Employers shouldn't even need a computer to help them get this right. Humans will be humans.

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by treemoni

Would it? You're not looking at it from the perspective of the employer. There always has been, and there always will be discrimination in employment. The objective data shows this. There are countless stories where people have submitted the exact same resume with only a difference in the name, and I'll let you guess which applicants are normally put in the "reject" pile.

It is already difficult to prove discrimination. This just makes it harder. I don't care either way. I happen to believe that what's meant for you is meant for you and no human being can stop it. Employers shouldn't even need a computer to help them get this right. Humans will be humans.

The technology provides employers with two principal benefits, assuming it is working correctly:

-ensures that objective measures are used to find the most qualified candidates for a respective open position.
-the selection algorithm is objective and non-discrimintory in it’s method, which helps to mitigate legal risk.

Usually this narrows down a list of applicants to a final list which would then be interviewed by the hiring manager and/or leadership team where the final hiring decision would be made. It is possible that discrimination could occur at the final selection stage but it would be counter-productive for an employer to do that...after all the end goal is to select the most qualified candidate possible.

[LeTraveler]

Originally Posted by Mason3000

How on earth could you ever quantify that?

You don't quantify it, and the term "thoughts" in the title to me suggested the OP wasn't looking for quantities.

[Mason3000]

Originally Posted by LeTraveler

You don't quantify it, and the term "thoughts" in the title to me suggested the OP wasn't looking for quantities.

Factoring their desire for "diversity", the fact that they identify as Black, and that they feel very comfortable in a school that's 10% Black. My three offerings seem pretty reasonable. Could be you're just an argumentative person?

[LeTraveler]

Originally Posted by Mason3000

Factoring their desire for "diversity", the fact that they identify as Black, and that they feel very comfortable in a school that's 10% Black. My three offerings seem pretty reasonable. Could be you're just an argumentative person?

You asked for clarification and I gave it...Rarely am I arguing with anyone here. My initial comment was simply giving my perspective on what the OP was asking for.

Anyway, until or if the OP returns I think about I'm about done here. This thread has been a learning experience, at least.