11-27-2008, 10:14 AM
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Everytime winter comes around, I can't help get the feeling of wanting to abandon ship.
Hi, Wizard.
I've been there/done that - twice! I guess some of us need to leave Minnesota to realize what we really love about it, and what trade-offs we're willing to make to live here. I abandoned Minnesota the first time at the free-wheeling age of 18 for Phoenix, Arizona (go west, young woman, go west), and came back within a year. I was more serious the second time around, and spent 8 years in San Diego County.
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... besides, I love wind, rain, and thunderstorms ...
That's one of the things that I really missed about Minnesota. When it rained in Southern California, it was such a boring rain. One evening, the neighbors thought we were absolutely nuts when they saw my husband and myself sitting in lawnchairs at the end of our driveway, and watching some lightening out in the distance in the mountains.
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Question 1. Where in minnesota do you live now?
Question 2. Where do you want to move to, and why?
Question 3. Why do you want to leave minnesota?
Question 4. What will you miss most about minnesota?
1. Eagan, MN
2. & 3. I don't want to move anymore. When it's cold, I just put on an extra layer or two. I've also moved into a top-floor condo with an elevator and an underground, heated garage. The combination of not having to shovel snow, and going out to a warm/dry car in the morning has taken the sting out of winter for me.
4. My family, and especially my grand-kids!
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And a survey for those that already left minnesota...
Question 1. Where did you live in minnesota?
Question 2. Where did you move to? and why?
Question 3. What do you miss most about minnesota?
Question 4. What do you miss the least?
1. I've lived all over the Twin Cities metro area in both Minneapolis and St. Paul.
2a. Arizona - because it was 1970, and I was all grown up and self-sufficient (ha!), and wanted to get away from my family with my friends ... and the car blew a rod in the desert on the way to California.
2b. California - because I was back in Minnesota with the prospect of another cold winter coming on, and I'd always wanted to live in California, and my husband had grown up there. Also, it was 1973, and California still seemed like
the cool place to live.
3. I missed the changing seasons, snuggling under a quilt on a winter night, the pot-luck dinner with mandatory jello culture (people that I understood and trusted), my family, and the lakes.
4. Mosquitos, and black ice on the roadways. But then, they had snakes and other creepy-crawly bugs (fleas, even if you didn't own a pet!), fog, and earthquakes.
Some will say that people are the same all over, but I disagree. I believe that Minnesota is a pretty tolerant state, in general. I don't recall meeting a lot of people when I lived in California who had actually grown up there (one of my kids is a California native) ... I know that all of the friends that we made were from somewhere else. I remember some VERY strange neighbors and co-workers, with some very un-Minnesota-like values. I don't know for sure now if that was because we were in California, or if it was just because it was "the 70's".
In my opinion, it's all about trade-offs. I've been all over the United States, and I can't tolerate the heat and humidity in places like Florida. As someone else said, nowhere is perfect. But now that I've left, and made the decision to come back to live my life in Minnesota - knowing what I like and dislike about it - I get a little testy at people who complain about things like the weather. I want to tell them, "If you don't like it - get out!" But then, I'm too "Minnesota-nice" for that.
11-27-2008, 10:29 AM
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Green Mill pizza. Good pizza in general, actually. I miss Denny's, too. Nice cheap edible food 24 hours. The only things we have down here are fast food and IHOP or Waffle House. Not the same.
Green Mill is pretty good, but did you ever have pizza at The Savoy in St. Paul? Yummy. When I used to work nearby there, we'd call in the morning to order a couple of pizzas to pick up for lunch, and then
they tell
you when you can come and pick them up. It always kind of reminded me of the Soup-Nazi from Seinfeld.
I wish we had a Waffle House up here; but for pancakes - give me Perkins over IHOP any time.
11-27-2008, 10:33 AM
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#1-------central MN
#2-------NE Alabama ( Dekalb County area)
#3-------kids and grandkids
#4-------snow, cold temps, high property taxes
(will be moving the summer of 09 or as soon as the farm sells )
11-27-2008, 10:39 AM
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(regarding Perkins) yes, that USED TO BE a place I frequented.
Getting $3.50 added to our tab just for coffee changed that.
Ma and Pa's Kettle in Cameron Missouri was quite similar to Perkins in food and price--------but coffee for two is only 50 cents and they promote that.
11-27-2008, 12:07 PM
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Question 1. Where in minnesota do you live now?
Harrison Neighborhood, Minneapolis
Question 2. Where do you want to move to, and why?
Chicago possibly. Its far enough away that its a welcome change, but close enough that if I want to spend a weekend in the city it wont take forever to come back. Other options include Portland or Seattle.
Question 3. Why do you want to leave minnesota?
It is something I have just recently began debating. I recently went thru a fairly harsh breakup which essentially split my social network in half and its began to make me realize how closed off and cold a lot of people are to introducing new people into their "circles". Im 28 now and I would rather go out and have fun, and I feel like a lot of people around my age are now getting into the "couples hangout" and "settle down" mode.
What will you miss most about minnesota?
If I move? Family, the city, the parks, nature.
What will you miss least?
Cliques, closed off people.
11-27-2008, 09:22 PM
Location: Maryland's 6th District.
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I get a little testy at people who complain about things like the weather. I want to tell them, "If you don't like it - get out!" But then, I'm too "Minnesota-nice" for that.
This is probably the #2 thing that drove me out of the state.
11-28-2008, 09:41 AM
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This is probably the #2 thing that drove me out of the state.
I truly hate to appear Minnesota-dense, but are you talking about people who like to complain (especially about the weather), or are you referring to "Minnesota-nice-ness"?
11-28-2008, 10:11 AM
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Ma and Pa's Kettle in Cameron Missouri was quite similar to Perkins in food and price--------but coffee for two is only 50 cents and they promote that.
Very cool (two for 50 cent coffee). Thanks for the tip.
Cameron sounded so familiar, that I looked it up on a map this morning. Sure enough - I went through there on my way from Eagan (St. Paul) to Urbana, Missouri, this past April. I have some really good friends who live in Urbana ... and they are transplanted Texans. I'll definitely remember Ma and Pa's Kettle for my next trip.
11-28-2008, 10:54 PM
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I truly hate to appear Minnesota-dense, but are you talking about people who like to complain (especially about the weather), or are you referring to "Minnesota-nice-ness"?
Minnesota Niceness.
I grew up in a place where people were to the point. Not rude, mind you, but if something needed to be said, then it was said. No one held back for the sake of simply being pleasant because it was understood that it was not a personal attack or even out of line.
It's a cultural thing. I just prefer people who are honest with what is on their mind, and are ok with saying so. I am not saying that it makes Minnesotans lame people, but it just got on my nerves day in and day out.
11-29-2008, 04:13 AM
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Green Mill is pretty good, but did you ever have pizza at The Savoy in St. Paul? Yummy.
No, but we were mainly in the W and SW suburbs of Minneapolis, not on the other side of the river.
I miss Eduardo's pizza at Southtown, too, but they closed quite a while ago. Very good thick pizza. And Carbone's. And Rocky Rococo's. And even Cheetah Pizza, which we thought was very good for delivery pizza.
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I wish we had a Waffle House up here; but for pancakes - give me Perkins over IHOP any time.
There are no Perkins restaurants in the Atlanta metro, either, at least that I know of. It's so sad.
We used to eat at the one at 494 and France all the time. Although the last time we were there (a year or so ago) it wasn't as good as we remembered. Green Mill was, though!
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)