12-16-2008, 01:50 PM
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Hey there,
What's your opinion of the suburbs or people from them? I grew up in one and though I enjoyed it while growing up, I never plan on living in one again. Too little diversity, close minded people, lack of culture, and urban sprawl.
Not until I moved away for college and became good friends with people from the heart of the city (or a city right off of them) did I realize that the suburbs got such a bad rep. I see why they do, but there are positives as well. Good schools, knowing that I could go almost anywhere and feel safe, even after dark, shopping malls, and a good community.
Anyways, I'm not trying to say either one is better. I just would like to hear your opinion. Especially from people that actually live IN the city.
**I also ask because I have seen on a lot of topics users telling people from the suburbs that their answer is not taken seriously or bashed on because they are answering in a "city" forum. I believe that I can answer many of the questions with my experiences.
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12-16-2008, 01:59 PM
Location: Minnesota
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I live in the suburbs and you are correct. I eat and shop almost exclusively in Minneapolis.
12-16-2008, 02:19 PM
Location: Hiawatha neighborhood of Minneapolis
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Anyways, I'm not trying to say either one is better. I just would like to hear your opinion. Especially from people that actually live IN the city.
Simple answer: they are not for me.
Longer answer- I don't really have an opinion on "people who come from suburbs" because there are just too many different kinds of people who live in the suburbs to make a generalization. Perhaps it is safe to say that people who like to live in cookie-cutter developments might lack imagination or an aesthetic sense, but I don't know if I would necessarily go that far.
I really like things that have "soul", but it's difficult for me to really convey the meaning of the term. It does often have to do with aesthetics, or having character or charm...but I've always found these terms to be too constraining for what I'm trying to get across. I'll just put it in terms of my experience: I had the fortune to live in Paris, France for a year and one of the things that I loved was that I could leave my apartment and just walk in any direction and invariably see something unusual or beautiful or....just plain inspiring. Now, no part of Minneapolis is like Paris in this regard, but there is enough quirkiness and beauty and the poetry that can only come with organic development over time that I can come across just enough things here that make me feel "inspired" or that is "evocative". Somehow, I find Eden Prairie Center to be neither.
12-16-2008, 02:56 PM
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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I grew up in the suburbs and live in the city now, for alot of the same reasons as you. It's also one of the only places I could afford a home on my budget.
12-16-2008, 03:04 PM
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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What's your opinion of the suburbs or people from them?
Which ones?
I grew up in Minnetonka in the 60's and 70's, and I realized there was a rather large difference even then between the most classic sprawly suburban area I lived in and the somewhat more working-class town-like atmosphere in Hopkins with its main street, Raspberry Festival, and so on.
I'd say that not all "suburbs" are necessarily cut from the same mold.
The 12 years I spent in an apartment in east Bloomington (intersection of Old Cedar Ave and Old Shakopee Road) reinforced that for me -- I could walk to the grocery store, walk to get my car fixed, walk to get pizza or subs, walk to the liquor store, walk down into the river valley, or walk or bike to the Mall of America whenever I wanted. Very dissimilar from the area of Minnetonka I'd grown up in (where the only places we could walk with any frequency were the few restaurants along ... and on the other side of ... Highway 7).
I've also lived in three other suburbs. My wife and I had a townhouse in Eden Prairie for three wonderful years in a little townhouse association right next to the big soccer field off Franlo Road, we lived in the suburb of Smyrna, GA (NW of Atlanta) for a year in an older 1950's rental house with an unheated basement, beautiful wood floors, and a HUGE 2-acre yard like a jungle, and we've now lived in another NW suburb of Atlanta in a house of our own for just over three years.
I love suburban living. There are so many different types of communities to choose from in a large metro area -- old towns, cookie-cutter developments, more electic older housing in isolated areas, former independent towns now surrounded, etc. However, I'm also certain that I'd love living in uptown Minneapolis and other parts of Minneapolis as well -- I've had friends who've lived in various places along and a few miles south of Lake Street (on Bryant Ave and others) that I thought were cool, I had family in the Bryn Mawr area for a while (my Mom grew up there), etc.
I've just always had jobs in the suburbs, so I've decided to live fairly close to the area where I've worked.
Right now we have nice neighbors, we have trees, our whole neighborhood is at the bottom of a tree-covered valley so we're far away from the sounds of traffic and turmoil, and the main thing we can hear over the bugs in the summertime is the whistle of the occasional train running along the tracks about a mile away. We can't hear the train itself -- it's on the other side of a rather large set of ridges. We do have to drive places, but we're close to work with very little in the way of commute, and the area is peaceful and secure.
Atlanta has its own version of in-town versus suburbanite culture, by the way -- ITP versus OTP, or those who live "inside the Perimeter" versus those who live "outside the Perimeter", the Perimeter being the I-285 freeway.
I think such rivalries are interesting but silly if taken too far, personally. We have nice theatres and office buildings in the suburbs just as you can find in the city itself. Just not so much noise.
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01-16-2009, 03:07 PM
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I think people tend to use "suburbs" as shorthand for broader stereotypes, stereotypes based more on generalizations than on realities. When I break down and talk about not liking the suburbs what I mean is that I don't like streets without sidewalks, poor public transportation, dependence on cars for most errands or activities, and winding streets lined with modern houses that all look the same. It goes without saying that this is a lazy and unfair way to discuss bigger issues, and I try not to do it. There are areas of Minneapolis that are more "suburban" in feel than are some actual technical suburbs. Some suburbs have high crime rates and poor schools; some also have beautiful old houses, core shopping districts or downtowns, and streets lined with trees and sidewalks.
On the other hand, there are also plenty of people who equate "city" with crime, gangs, lack of green space, grafitti, and and bad schools. City living also doesn't necessarily mean diverse, walkable, good public transportation, or readily available cultural opportunity. People live in places for many different reasons and its an unsophisticated argument to diminish someone's arguments based purely on preconceived notions dependent on home address -whether that address happens to be urban, suburban, or rural.
01-16-2009, 09:02 PM
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It depends a lot. Just lumping "suburbs" into a singular category is unfair. Apple Valley and Richfield are both suburbs, but they are worlds apart from each other.
I appreciate the suburbs on the Minneapolis grid system or something comparable (Abbott to Zane, Adair to Yukon). I appreciate the older inner ring suburbs that have history. I like the ones where you can run across a small family restaurant or hole in the wall bar. I would buy in St Louis Park, Crystal, New Hope, Richfield, Golden Valley, Robbinsdale etc etc if I could get a place for cheap.
The ones I cannot stand are the mostly new construction built in ten years towns that seem devoid of any sort of culture or soul. Same old restaurants every place has, a mall, similar style of housing. Its just uninteresting and unappealing on every level. I would choose Brooklyn Center over Eagan any day of the week.
01-16-2009, 11:26 PM
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^^^IMO, given time, the newer areas will acquire their "soul". The landscaping will mature, additions will be made to the homes, paint colors changed, and the houses will lose their cookie-cutter look. I have found that most all suburbs in all the cities I have ever visited have a few local eateries, that type of thing.
01-17-2009, 06:19 AM
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It depends a lot. Just lumping "suburbs" into a singular category is unfair. Apple Valley and Richfield are both suburbs, but they are worlds apart from each other.
I appreciate the suburbs on the Minneapolis grid system or something comparable (Abbott to Zane, Adair to Yukon). I appreciate the older inner ring suburbs that have history. I like the ones where you can run across a small family restaurant or hole in the wall bar. I would buy in St Louis Park, Crystal, New Hope, Richfield, Golden Valley, Robbinsdale etc etc if I could get a place for cheap.
The ones I cannot stand are the mostly new construction built in ten years towns that seem devoid of any sort of culture or soul. Same old restaurants every place has, a mall, similar style of housing. Its just uninteresting and unappealing on every level. I would choose Brooklyn Center over Eagan any day of the week.
If you look at pictures of most Minneapolis neighborhoods from the 1940's or so, they look like cookie cutter neighborhoods with no soul or charm as well. Established neighborhoods don't happen overnight. Do I like our blah house, it's a place to live that has the things we wanted. Would I rather have our 1860's build house we used to have, you bet, but I am not willing to sacrifice the quality of education we get in the suburbs just to move to an old house in Minneapolis. I am also not willing to have to put up with petty crime like people breaking into my garage or worrying about my kids playing outside after dark.
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People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)