01-16-2009, 11:20 AM
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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So, we're looking at residing our home either now or scheduling it for the spring, and I was wondering if there were some knowledgable folks out there that might be willing to help us out with our decision. We currently have a pretty aggressive company hounding us which I don't like, but they might just be desperate enough for business that we could negotiate a decent price.
Anyways, we're looking for something that is as environmentally friendly as possible yet still not going to totally break the bank. Here are my initial thoughts:
1. Vinyl/ PVC - obviously the cheapest option, but my understanding has always been that any vinyl/ PVC siding is not a green/ environmentally friendly choice - although some companies making vinyl products are claiming to be very green, use recycled products, etc., it seems that PVC products in general are very bad choices for this category due to how they are manufactured and toxins/ waste created in the process.
2. Engineered Wood - I understand that this is less expensive than real wood, looks close to the real thing, and can be viewed as very environmentally friendly if manufactured correctly - but it also seems that any engineered wood product is very prone to moisture damage and not good for climates like ours.
3. Fiber cement siding - this seems to be a decent option, somewhat low maintenance and holds up in tough climates (?), the one thing I am unsure of and couldn't find any information on was price and where it falls in comparison to other siding products (e.g. real wood, etc.).
4. Real wood - I like wood (ideally would like cedar shakes), but I think this is really out of our price range, and although I don't really buy that much into the whole "low-maintenance" thing, I can't see myself getting on a ladder/ scaffolding every other year to repaint/ restain the second floor exterior areas.
5. Other? - I've also heard or read about other products like Hardiplank (?) - but again, am not sure if this is right for our climate or what pricing is like for this product. And what other options am I failing to research/ look into here?
We have a relatively small story and 1/2 bungalow-ish home - large gables on the two sides (which are longer than front/back) of the home, with shed dormers in the front and back. Otherwise there's just a few strips to side on the front as it's an enclosed porch, and as for the back, again, it's not a very big house. We were hoping that the project itself wouldn't too greatly exceed 10K but again, we realize that we're ignorant as to what to expect (and this will vary based on materials/ labor), but we may be willing to go up to 15K if this is too unreasonable of an expectation.
If anyone has any experience or knowledge in this area, or if you know a great siding contractor that is reasonable/ honest, any help would be greatly appreciated!
01-16-2009, 11:50 AM
Location: Mahtomedi, MN
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Camden Northsider
So, we're looking at residing our home either now or scheduling it for the spring, and I was wondering if there were some knowledgable folks out there that might be willing to help us out with our decision. We currently have a pretty aggressive company hounding us which I don't like, but they might just be desperate enough for business that we could negotiate a decent price.
Anyways, we're looking for something that is as environmentally friendly as possible yet still not going to totally break the bank. Here are my initial thoughts:
1. Vinyl/ PVC - obviously the cheapest option, but my understanding has always been that any vinyl/ PVC siding is not a green/ environmentally friendly choice - although some companies making vinyl products are claiming to be very green, use recycled products, etc., it seems that PVC products in general are very bad choices for this category due to how they are manufactured and toxins/ waste created in the process.
2. Engineered Wood - I understand that this is less expensive than real wood, looks close to the real thing, and can be viewed as very environmentally friendly if manufactured correctly - but it also seems that any engineered wood product is very prone to moisture damage and not good for climates like ours.
3. Fiber cement siding - this seems to be a decent option, somewhat low maintenance and holds up in tough climates (?), the one thing I am unsure of and couldn't find any information on was price and where it falls in comparison to other siding products (e.g. real wood, etc.).
4. Real wood - I like wood (ideally would like cedar shakes), but I think this is really out of our price range, and although I don't really buy that much into the whole "low-maintenance" thing, I can't see myself getting on a ladder/ scaffolding every other year to repaint/ restain the second floor exterior areas.
5. Other? - I've also heard or read about other products like Hardiplank (?) - but again, am not sure if this is right for our climate or what pricing is like for this product. And what other options am I failing to research/ look into here?
We have a relatively small story and 1/2 bungalow-ish home - large gables on the two sides (which are longer than front/back) of the home, with shed dormers in the front and back. Otherwise there's just a few strips to side on the front as it's an enclosed porch, and as for the back, again, it's not a very big house. We were hoping that the project itself wouldn't too greatly exceed 10K but again, we realize that we're ignorant as to what to expect (and this will vary based on materials/ labor), but we may be willing to go up to 15K if this is too unreasonable of an expectation.
If anyone has any experience or knowledge in this area, or if you know a great siding contractor that is reasonable/ honest, any help would be greatly appreciated!
Hardiplank is a brand of cement siding. You can see this at Home Depot or Lowes. Not sure about Mennards. In my opinion this is a very solid product. Something like a 50 year warranty, it looks very nice painted and paint is supposed to stay looking good longer. 8 years or so is what I am told. This stuff is very hard. You really need a nail gun to install it. Our new house has this. Generally expensive compared to vinyl.
Vinyl - it is cheap. Only redeeming quality. It is subject to cracking in extreme cold, becomes brittle as it ages, looks like crap, and the color fades rather quickly. You can paint it, but then it really looks bad.
Engineered wood - generic term and you really need to look at specific brands/product. Traditional siding is probably an example of this. Made from fibers and pressed. It is subject to moisture dammage, however proper installation and maintanence should make this not a big deal. Genenerally affordable and looks pretty good.
Wood siding is nice but spendy and requires maintenece. I built my cabin and put on cedar siding with stain. It is holding up well and has a great look. Not sure that is great look for the city, but cedar shake certianly is. Similar cost, but much harder to install. Must use stainless nails to avoid rust runs and most will say hand nail it. Translate this to expensive.
You might want to consider doing shakes up high in gable with something else on the lower part. Very classic look and it cuts down labor and material costs.
06-01-2009, 10:42 AM
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Siding Choice Depends on your Home/Neighborhood/Goals
Hey Camden - I'm no expert, but my wife and I recently resided our home as well. A big thing to keep in mind when you're making this decision is how long you'll stay in your home - and/or what you plan to do with it.
While Vinyl has it's drawbacks, (as mentioned above) we only plan to be in our house for 5-10 years tops, and for the money we think it is the best investment which will provide a great look, and up our resale value (over our current 1950s cedar shake siding) at a reasonable cost.
If I was going to stay in my house for a longer time I might have done Cement Board (like Hardiplank), because it lasts so long - but I'm not thrilled about the idea of having to paint every 10 years or so - and I believe that is required with cement board.
Another thing to keep in mind is your neighborhood. If everyone in your neighborhood has high-end siding like cement board, cedar shake, or stone/brick, than Vinyl may negatively affect the resale value of your house. But if that's not the case, than spending money on a more premium product may not give you the kind of ROI you'd hoped when you go to sell your house.
Get an idea of the pricing with a (e-z-quote has siding calculators for different products:
http://www.e-z-quote.com/siding/quote/ ) and evaluate what is going to be most worth-while considering your time frame, neighborhood, and goals. Good luck!
06-01-2009, 06:05 PM
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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good advice craigger, and thanks for the link to that website. I had forgotten to post an update, but we have already purchased our siding (hasn't quite gone up yet, however, will be shortly). In the end we went with fiber cement board/ Hardiplank- it seemed the most environmentally friendly, long-lasting (and we got the ones that come 'painted' or with the color baked into them), and attractive for what we were looking for. Most of the homes in our neighborhood are stucco, brick, wood, ocassional vinyl/ other, etc.- but a neighbor down the street had recently resided with cement board and it looks great so we considering everything, we decided to go with that. Now I'm trying to figure out how to handle all of the other projects that have come up since my last post here
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People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)