03-20-2009, 08:54 AM
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I agree. I hate the sight of an empty parking lot in Minneapolis. And I hate huge ugly shopping centers. If a home depot ever crosses the city limits, you better believe were making that thing move right up to the sidewalk. Density rocks.
Sorry, have to do this....
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03-20-2009, 03:26 PM
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"Very few central cities have shopping malls and in case you haven't noticed, there are plenty of shopping malls in our inner-ring suburbs. Let the suburbs have them and their huge parking lots."
Shopping malls can be urban. Building the malls inside city limits would make them urban looking. Why would I think a lot of parking lots would make Twin Cities more like it is the 16th largest metro area? The problem with Twin Cities is they are not dense enough, not that they are too dense. If Nicollet Mall has 100 stores, then it can be considered a shopping mall, whether it has a roof or not. Currently it has 10 or 20.
Good examples include downtowns of Portland, San Francisco, Boston, San Diego, Beverley Hills area of LA, etc. People would think a city like Atlanta is very sprawled. However, the Buckhead area, around the city's premier shopping center, is actually pretty dense and almost became the city's second skyline, and currently Buckhead is still within Atlanta's city limits. If downtown of Minneapolis doesn't work, something like a second skyline would also boost up its big city feel to some extent.
This is just for the sake of discussion of the city feel though. With the current situation, of course it is silly to build or expand any shopping mall.
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I suggest you get out an travel to some of those metro areas and their central cities that rank between 17th and 30th in population size. Overall, Minneapolis and its metro has much more to offer than most
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03-20-2009, 04:45 PM
Location: Columbus OH
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If Nicollet Mall has 100 stores, then it can be considered a shopping mall, whether it has a roof or not. Currently it has 10 or 20.
While I agree with you that downtown Mpls doesn't rank with Portland, Boston, Seattle, Philly, Chicago, San Fran and NYC, I think it compares very favorably with most other cities, especially given its close proximity to the Mall of America.
I think you can legitimately call all of the downtown core a shopping mall, given that it is all connected via skyway. There's certainly more than 10 or 20 stores within one block of Nicollet Mall--even if you use the narrowest definition of store (excluding florists and convenience marts etc, as well as all the restaurants).
There's over 1.0 million square feet of retail space in downtown if you just include Macys, Target, Saks Off Fifth, Niemans, plus the big boxes (Barnes & Noble, Marshalls,Office Depot). There's also independant shops scattered around--you need to know where they are (eg the tea shop and Ellsworth Mens Clothing in Highland Bank Bldg, or the custom shirt maker in International Center, National Camera at 10th & Hennepin, HW White in IDS Ctr etc...).
03-21-2009, 10:03 AM
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Thats how they do it in Chicago. It saves a lot of space. Underground parking lots is where its at. Heres a picture of one. http://www.urbanreviewstl.com/archives/chicago%20home%20depot.jpg (broken link)
03-22-2009, 01:26 PM
Location: Mequon, WI
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The first trip I made to the twin cities I knew they had a million more people than the milwaukee area but the first comment I made was "I know I'm in a big city but it just doesn't feel like it". I have talked to other people from the twin cites and they have mentioned the same thing. The twin cities just don't have that big city feel unless your downtown. The fact that this topic is out here kind of proves it. There is a ton of trees, and it just doesn't have that urban grit feel. Where in Milwaukee on every busy street is buildings at least 2-5 stories high even far out in the city. We don't have a lot of houses on our busy streets. I feel like the twin cities are just one giant madison or suburb. I really enjoyed my time in the twin cities but I felt like I was in Columbus oh than twin cities 3 million +.
03-22-2009, 01:27 PM
Location: Mequon, WI
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everything in the twin cities seems very spread out with parking lots and green areas which makes it very nice to look at but you don't get that big city feel.
03-22-2009, 05:39 PM
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The first trip I made to the twin cities I knew they had a million more people than the milwaukee area but the first comment I made was "I know I'm in a big city but it just doesn't feel like it". I have talked to other people from the twin cites and they have mentioned the same thing. The twin cities just don't have that big city feel unless your downtown. The fact that this topic is out here kind of proves it. There is a ton of trees, and it just doesn't have that urban grit feel. Where in Milwaukee on every busy street is buildings at least 2-5 stories high even far out in the city. We don't have a lot of houses on our busy streets. I feel like the twin cities are just one giant madison or suburb. I really enjoyed my time in the twin cities but I felt like I was in Columbus oh than twin cities 3 million +.
One big suburb? You clearly have not spent much time in Minneapolis. You can still have trees and have a "big city" feel, and Minneapolis is just that. It combines both a thriving, vibrant city life, with great parks, bike trails, and lakes, offering the best of both worlds.
Minneapolis has much more of a urban "big city" feel than Milwaukee I might add. Unless you spent all of your time over in Saint Paul, because I can't imagine anyone thinking the TC doesn't feel like a "big city". Just my opinion I guess.
03-22-2009, 06:00 PM
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I can't imagine anyone thinking the TC doesn't feel like a "big city". Just my opinion I guess.
Hey Pal! Haven't you read the title of this thread and the other 16 post talking about this very idea. The fact that I have heard this from native people from TC and this thread talks about it kind duh proves that this is somewhat of an issue. Looks like I'm not the only one who thinks this since there is a thread about it. I think being so close to Chicago helps Milwaukee feel like a bigger city than it is. They are widening I94 all the way down to Chicago from the south side of Milwaukee to 4/5 lanes on each side. I think that speaks to the truth that the Gary-Chicago-Milwaukee corridor region is an area to recognize.
13 million +
03-22-2009, 07:13 PM
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Is this a TC vs. Milwaukee thread or a TC thread? Didn't think so.
03-22-2009, 08:16 PM
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The right position of Twin Cities is around 30th. The right position of Milwaukee is around 40th, the same as what its population suggests. The cities that feel larger than Twin Cities yet have smaller populations certainly don't come from Midwest. In Midwest, the "big city feel" largely correlates with the population of the metro areas, but the styles are different between the coasts and the Midwest.
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Hey Pal! Haven't you read the title of this thread and the other 16 post talking about this very idea. The fact that I have heard this from native people from TC and this thread talks about it kind duh proves that this is somewhat of an issue. Looks like I'm not the only one who thinks this since there is a thread about it. I think being so close to Chicago helps Milwaukee feel like a bigger city than it is. They are widening I94 all the way down to Chicago from the south side of Milwaukee to 4/5 lanes on each side. I think that speaks to the truth that the Gary-Chicago-Milwaukee corridor region is an area to recognize.
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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