11-24-2009, 09:09 PM
Location: Bel Air, California
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Because if my kids are uneducated (and not all parents are willing or able to pay for private school) they are going to end up costing you in the long run: they won't be able to get decent jobs, will be more likely to end up on welfare, or become criminals, or won't be able to perform the sorts of educated jobs that we need to run this country, and generally be an all-around danger to society, a drain on our pocketbook, and a threat to the future of the country. Don't educate the kids now, pay the price (and more) later, that's why.
I agree in the need for a good education but is there some reason that you shouldn't pay for your child's needs? Seems like that would be a parental responsibility. Besides the world needs ditch-diggers too.
11-24-2009, 09:31 PM
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The world does need ditch-diggers, but they also need to be able to function at some basic level to even get that far. Basic reading and writing, for one thing, and some basic math skills to at least pay the bills and balance the checking account. We can't count on parents to provide that because there are some terrible parents out there, as well as those who would like to be able to fully provide for their kids but are unable to do so. Those are also the parents most likely to have kids who will turn out to be major problems to society if they don't have some chance at escaping the life that they were born into. I know parents on drugs, in and out of jail, and with other major problems: these are parents who should never have kids in the first place, but responsibility isn't something they're really concerned about. Education gives at least some chance to break the cycle.
11-24-2009, 09:55 PM
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Explain to me why I should pay for any school taxes when I pay my property tax. You parents should have to pay your own kids way and not come to me with your hand-out every 6 months.
The state constiturion mandates the state provides for public education.
The state constitution does
not mandate the state provide staduims for professional football teams
Even with the Vikings winning the superbowl, using state taxpayers money while our schools are in a budget crunch ain't gonna fly.
The Vikings record is a plus, but the economy and state finances are bigger than the Vikings.
11-24-2009, 10:29 PM
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Build it where Brookdale is or build it where Goodrich Golf Course is... I WANT TAILGATING!!!
11-24-2009, 11:01 PM
Location: MN
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If it is in the same sight, then we will still have the same problems of no tail-gating and no fun atmosphere around the stadium. How boring...
This. Unless Zygi buys a few square blocks of parking lots towards the river and 4th/3rd streets get closed or tunneled underground near the stadium.
The Metrodome is rated last place for tailgating and 30th overall out of 32 stadiums.
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11-25-2009, 04:51 AM
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Explain to me why I should pay for any school taxes when I pay my property tax. You parents should have to pay your own kids way and not come to me with your hand-out every 6 months.
How about if you think of it as paying the state BACK for YOUR education? If you go back far enough a generation somewhere didn't have to pay for their education so think of it as paying in arrears for your own education.
Why not build the new stadium on the site of the Ford Plant in St. Paul. I think on another post on this topic a few months ago someone suggested that.
The metrodome is horrible. I am not fan of using public money for something like this but a new stadium is in need--however building an open air stadium severely limits the use of that stadium. A retractable roof at minimum but I think they really need to go with some kind of a roof. If public money is to be used for the stadium than it needs to be available for those events that use the Metrodome and other then football pretty much everything else that happens there needs a roof.
11-25-2009, 06:57 AM
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Why not build the new stadium on the site of the Ford Plant in St. Paul. I think on another post on this topic a few months ago someone suggested that.
The main difference between the metrodome site and the site of the Ford plant is the transportation infrastructure, metrodome site has it, Ford plant site does not. If you keep it on the metrodome site you'll be saving billions of dollars in the infrastructure that would have to be built to make that site feasible.
11-25-2009, 07:12 AM
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The main difference between the metrodome site and the site of the Ford plant is the transportation infrastructure, metrodome site has it, Ford plant site does not. If you keep it on the metrodome site you'll be saving billions of dollars in the infrastructure that would have to be built to make that site feasible.
None of that infrastructure was there when the dome was built. Besides, the whole point is that people want to DRIVE to the game and tailgate--you don't NEED the lightrail in that case.
11-25-2009, 08:06 AM
Location: Houston, TX
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Keep in mind the NFL will get what it wants, proven again and again. Work something out...
11-25-2009, 08:24 AM
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None of that infrastructure was there when the dome was built. Besides, the whole point is that people want to DRIVE to the game and tailgate--you don't NEED the lightrail in that case.
Right but it's there now so why waste more money to throw in more infrastructure...we need to do this in the most fiscally responsible way possible, especially with the economic recession.
It isn't just the light rail, the metrodome has easy access from 394, 94, 35W, HWY 55 and ample parking in ramps and lots downtown....Ford Pkwy has NONE of this. Right now it's hard to get into that neighborhood from other parts of St. Paul, it's isolated there, it'd be a logistical nightmare trying to get 70,000 people out of there on the 46th St bridge, Cleveland Ave, Snelling Ave down to W 7th St, Cretin, etc. The only connections to the area are 2 lane bridge and several tiny residential roads, it'd be a terrible mess.
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Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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