07-06-2010, 01:44 AM
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It's pretty clear here that some people are quite fanatical over their former high school.
For the record AP tests are not difficult to pass. 50% of the people who took the AP Chemistry test in my room last year didn't take the class.
And my school has a perfect passing record.
Measuring based on IB or AP is stupid; both are irrelevant. I am a full IB Diploma Candidate and let me tell you, there are some people that pass the tests but get D's or even fail the class. Taking a class means nothing, even passing a class means nothing.
That list is B.S.
but the again so is any list attempting to compare high schools
but continue to let your personal attachment to your own alumni shine through when arguing. It's quite satisfying to see adults argue over something so trivial instead of teenagers.
07-06-2010, 09:44 AM
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Yeah right, Mounds View is 1224? That school is extremely exceptional. It truely is a great High School.
Well, top 1600 in the country probably is 'truly exceptional.' At least statistically. 1600 schools divided by 50 would be, what? 30 schools by state if every state were equal in population? I'd say that by that gauge, we're doing pretty well schools wise...
Of course, we already knew that. And if this study really is just based on AP/IB scores, then it's probably bogus...
07-06-2010, 09:51 AM
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hmm Kind of like when colleges use "Top half of your class" or "top 50% of your class"
Such a BS statistic. I was 110/219 graduates (but 25 kids did not graduate)
I went to an exurban High School, where there was less of a "Suburban Mentality"
Meaning, less students had White Collar, professional parents, as it was a blue-collar, working class community. So, with it being a blue-collar, working class, rural-like community, Acadamia wasn't emphasized as much as it would have been in a more suburban, white collar type school
So what that meant, is there were a large number of not only boys, but girls as well who had no determination to go to post-secondary schooling after high school, and this was apparent in early as 10th grade. So, when you have girls taking classes like foods III, and Ceramics III, and guys taking Welding III and Woods III, and Weight Lifting III, because they know they are going to go to a Tech or Community College and NOT going to a University, that really screws over people like me, who knew I wanted to go to a four-year University. So, while I'm taking 'Literature of our Nation's Wars', writing 10 page technical papers as an 11th grader, and my peers are taking "Outdoor Lifestyles II", getting A's while I struggled to get anything higher than B's.
This resulted in me looking like some slacker student, while Joe Johnson gets a 3.58 GPA because his schedule this quarter is "Outdoors II", "Sports Science", "Greeks and Romans" and "Woods III". Getting A's in Outdoors, SS, and Woods, while struggling to get a C in G&R because that class actually requires work
Believe me, the "top half" of your class criterion ends up screwing over a whole lot more people in those "white-collar suburban" high schools than it did in your high school. Grade inflation is a notorious problem in those schools, for a variety of reasons.
07-06-2010, 09:57 AM
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I don't understand why you are insisting that is in no way a representation of the entire school. Every student has access to many of those courses and tests. Not every single student is taking advantage of them, but that's true of any school -- and that is one of the factors incorporated into these rankings.
I'd be careful with this. Sure, anybody can take an AP test-- for a nominal fee. But many schools have an admissions process for the courses. Usually, students don't even know that AP is an option unless a Middle School teacher turns them on to the idea of applying, and I've heard it from the horse's mouth at my old high school that there were students who definately should have applied, but were overlooked by teachers. Of course, my high-school dealt with more than it's fair-share of institutionalized racism....
07-06-2010, 10:02 AM
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People that are "dising' the list are doing so because it is not accurate in any way, shape or form and those that think their school is good because of that are just fooling themselves. When you have a school where less than 70% of your students go on to a 4 year college compared to 94+%, then we will talk about "good schools". The difference between a Minneapolis school ranking and Edina's ranking it Edina takes into consideration their entire school, not just a small, small portion of their top students only.
Well, I wouldn't use the rate of students attending four-year institutions, either, because there is so much income disparity-- not just between the inner-city and the suburbs, but between suburbs and other suburbs-- that that can't possibly be trusted as a reliable gauge.
Hate to say it, but maybe Bush was on to something with setting a nation-wide standard. Even if the implementation sucked....
Also, aren't Edina and Minneapolis's high school being ranked the same way in this study?
07-06-2010, 10:19 AM
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Believe me, the "top half" of your class criterion ends up screwing over a whole lot more people in those "white-collar suburban" high schools than it did in your high school. Grade inflation is a notorious problem in those schools, for a variety of reasons.
I think I know some places where people graduated with 4.8 gpas. Seriously.
07-06-2010, 10:20 AM
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Well, I wouldn't use the rate of students attending four-year institutions, either, because there is so much income disparity-- not just between the inner-city and the suburbs, but between suburbs and other suburbs-- that that can't possibly be trusted as a reliable gauge.
Hate to say it, but maybe Bush was on to something with setting a nation-wide standard. Even if the implementation sucked....
Also, aren't Edina and Minneapolis's high school being ranked the same way in this study?
I was just saying that I've seen Mounds View HS as the #1 High School in Minnesota on many different lists in the past, but then rounds up at #1222 overall in the USA?
07-06-2010, 11:56 AM
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I agree that no list can really be accurate or perfect, but for those of you who think I'm "fanatical" about my former school, or that things like this are trivial, neither is true. You'd be irritated, too, if people with absolutely no experience with your school or district constantly repeated the mantra that it was difficult or impossible to get a good education in a school in the district when you know full well that's not the case. And it's not trivial when it impacts the way people see your city, neighborhood, school degree, etc; there are people out there who literally think that you step into city limits and it's like one big dangerous place where the kids are all illiterate and dealing drugs on the corner. If you have kids or ever look into buying property you'll see this at work; people will write off (or seek out) locations based strictly on schools. And if you're a parent (or just a community member concerned about education) you obviously want to figure out if your kid is going to be able to get a good education. Looking at schools, especially if you're new to an area, can be really complicated. Parents shouldn't be afraid that if they move to Minneapolis that their kids are going to receive a subpar education. Given the large numbers of excellent schools in the Twin Cities -- in both suburbs and city -- I think parents can base their home decisions on other issues besides school district. That's quite a bit different from many other cities. It's part of the reason there are still a lot of middle class families living within city limits. In some cities it's mostly the wealthy and the poor; the middle class can't afford private and don't want to risk public, so they move to the suburbs. Ask any of those parents if education and -- and, PERCEPTION of education -- is trivial and see what they say.
I don't think this list is by any means perfect, but it's just as good as any other. It's just one more place to find information about a school and its performance and opportunities. I don't think there is any one "best" school in Minnesota, or even top five or ten; so much of what makes a school a good one is so specific to the individual student. Southwest is a good school if you're academically motivated and college-bound. I don't know how good it is or isn't if you're struggling with school and need more help. But yes, I do find it offensive that there are people who are seemingly dedicated to attacking any suggestion that a school -- a good school by most people's standards, whatever those may be -- is not so. That's not to say that Southwest is the best for everyone, or even good for everyone, but it's certainly a decent school, and most kids will get a solid education if they go there. That's true of many other schools as well, of course. It's just that people on these forums don't dedicate as much time and energy attacking other schools as they do the city schools. It's not like acknowledging that one school is good means that your own neighborhood's school is somehow not good. The Twin Cities has many good schools, and we should be proud of that. And, of course, there are many kids (including at the "good" schools, and in both city and suburbs) who are not succeeding, and we certainly shouldn't forget about their needs and work together as a society to make sure that ALL of our kids graduate and receive a good education. But once in awhile it's nice to focus on the success stories, too.
07-06-2010, 01:10 PM
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I was just saying that I've seen Mounds View HS as the #1 High School in Minnesota on many different lists in the past, but then rounds up at #1222 overall in the USA?
I don't know. I know Mounds View has a great reputation. I usually see SLP at the top of the lists for high schools in Minnesota. But then again, these lists tend to be pretty arbitrary, so who really knows?
07-06-2010, 01:11 PM
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I think I know some places where people graduated with 4.8 gpas. Seriously.
Yup, a lot of schools inflate grades by putting honors/ap courses on a 5gpa scale. It is a silly and detrimental system...
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Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)