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Old 08-04-2010, 06:23 PM
 
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I have just been offered a position as a teacher in Minnesota.

My question is, do I have to join the teachers union, or can I opt out of it? For religious and political reasons I do not want to support the Minnesota teacher's union, but I am wondering if I have any legal standing to opt out. I can't find much online, except an old post on this forum about having to pay some fees if you do not join.

Thanks for any and all replies.

Froggie
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Old 08-04-2010, 06:52 PM
 
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I don't think you HAVE to but why would you not WANT to. The legal protection and the benefits they provide are more than worth the cost of your membership. I am also fairly certain that any contract negotiations done on behalf of teachers in the union would not have to apply to non-union teachers, thus basically that means you will never get a raise.
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Old 08-04-2010, 07:31 PM
 
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the school dist. I taught in (another state) went from open shop (no membership required) to somethign else.

At first, I didn't have to join. Any non-joiners didn't pay dues.


Then they did something in the contract, that said you pay $x to join. If you don't join you have to pay $25 less than x, because you still receive the benefits of the collective bargaining and other activities.

A lot more people joined then, as why not, at that point. Just the union carrying a large liability policy on your behalf is helpful, given how many lawsuits are filed.


So, different state, but that might explain a bit more about the fees, even if you don't join. "Fair share" was the clause in the contract.
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:01 PM
 
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Hm.. well under the national Right To Work website is states that you don't have to join the union to be "fully covered".

"Question: Can I be required to be a union member or pay dues to a union?
Answer: You cannot be required to be a union member in any state.
If you are not a member, you are still fully covered by the collective bargaining agreement that was negotiated between your employer and the union, and the union is obligated to represent you. Any benefits that are provided to you by your employer pursuant to the collective bargaining agreement (e.g., wages, seniority, vacations, pensions, health insurance) are not affected by your nonmembership. (If the union offers some "members-only" benefits, you might be excluded from receiving those.)"

I have met only one teacher so far who has said she has called upon the "union" to advocate for her, and that was for questions over payroll, which she likely could have found the contacts without the union help if she had tried.

As to why I do not wish to join the union.. religious and political reasons. I do not want my money taken from me and given as funding the DFL, which in turn supports abortions. I am pro-life and a conservative Christian. If a person does not stand up for what he or she believes in then they are just saying it is okay to be used. I don't buy that. There are actually many states where teacher's unions are not mandatory or even an option. I'm just wondering if there are any MN teachers who have opted out without suffering repercussions.
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Old 08-05-2010, 03:32 AM
 
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I am sure there won't be any repercussions for not joining other than you don't get the legal coverage you would get with the union. I know that the union does provide benefits to members, additional disability pay, some life insurance, etc. but the biggest reason to join is if you have any legal issues involving teaching you have representation. If a student accuses you of wrong doing, for example, the union would be there to defend you. Just something to think about. No one forces you to join if you really don't want to but the union isn't some big evil enterprise out to get you either.
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Old 08-05-2010, 09:09 AM
 
Location: NE Minneapolis
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I just asked my wife who is a teacher in the Minneapolis school district. According to her you do not have to join the union but you still end up paying some dues. She said it's roughly $700 a year if you join and $500 if you don't. Not sure if all districts in the state are the same.
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Old 08-05-2010, 05:21 PM
 
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Froggie - my "why not at that point" was not directed at you --- you clearly have your reasons. For me, it was more a matter of why not. The $1M liability policy for a difference of $25 was worth it to me, if I was paying something anyway.
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Old 08-06-2010, 06:20 PM
 
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The principal was not put off by my not wanting to join the union, though he isn't the person who handles the union applications. While I know that I will end up paying something, to cover contract negotiations and what have you, I will be happy knowing that my money isn't going for something I truly do not support or believe in. Thanks for the feedback.
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Old 09-07-2010, 09:12 PM
 
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MOST teachers have absolutely NO clue where their Union dues are spent.
Yes, all Unions support the DNC because the Dems want indentured voters. The NEA has spent over 5 million supporting the corrupt ACORN groups, the abortion supporters and every other socialist inspired group in America.
How many know that the prior NEA union president made over_ $640,000 last year? Teachers are scammed by the unions, their Legal help offered is null and those schools with no unions such as some charter schools, have the district legal support. Districts are sued, rarely teachers. How about the Union getting a teacher to sit all day and play vs. work because the district didn't want to pursue dismissal for the teacher's sex antics? California has such issues. Unions caused the problems with GM and Chrysler, the Unions unfunded benefits and retirement plans bankrupted California while the union leaders brought in millions for themselves.
The military can not unionize because it is a necessary function. So apparently teaching is not a necessary function then?
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:59 AM
 
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Unions DNC Dems indentured voters NEA corrupt ACORN abortion supporters and every other socialist inspired group in America.
OMG you hit the Conservative jackpot!!! mod cut

Last edited by golfgal; 09-08-2010 at 09:29 AM.. Reason: not necessary
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