11-10-2008, 10:46 PM
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I don't think that weed should be legalized.
I just believe it shouldn't be painted in such a horrible light like most do. Its not that bad. And when something like alcohol and tobacco is legal, its rediculous to have marijuana be illegal as well as how bad of a repuatation it gets. People act like its the devil. I have never seen anyone get high and fight. People get high and connect on common grounds.
I have never seen a kid fall flat on his face because of pot.
I have never seen someone punch a wall in anger because of pot.
I have never seen someone get into a car, swirve off the road, and run head on with a tree because of pot.
I have never seen a girl get SOO high that she passes out, vomits and dies because of pot. I have never seen someone smoke pot and throw up.
I have never seen someone smoke pot and break up with their significant other because of sloppy reasons.
I have never seen someone smoke SOO much pot that they have to call in sick to work the next day.
I have never seen someone smoke soo much pot that they **** themselves.
I have never seen someone smoke so much pot that they stand up, dance around and regret things the next day.
I have never seen an uncle smoke so much pot that they become pot-aholics and **** away their marraige, life, house, career, and family
All of these things I have witnessed first hand from alcohol, and its all happened in the past 2 years. Its not skewed, because I know a lot of people that smoke pot-a lot of pot, and issues like this never arise.
What im saying is that I would rather see police put more of an effort to stop drinking mistakes like fights and driving, and stop trying so hard to prosecute those with dime bags of marijuana who sit around listening to music and smoking a joint.
Also, $5 a day for cigarettes = $35 a week in cigarettes. I would say that the average smoker spends $ 30-35 a week in cigarettes. Pot smokers generally smoke on average $20-35 a week on pot-depending on the strain. So I guess it is pretty even. But, id still rather put something into me that grew from the earth-you know, like apples, bananas, grapes, and marijuana ,-than a plethora of chemicals like cigarettes, thats all.
11-10-2008, 10:58 PM
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Here's also a story that actually was what I would like to see all the time, and basically what I'm getting at.
My roomate and I, after 4 days of rough college courses-where we were good students-3.3 and 3.8 respectivly, rolled a joint, and drove to a quaint, unpopular quiet parking lot at a park at 11 pm. No kids around, hardly any vehicles on the road- you know, safe. Sitting there, we see a black Tahoe pull into the lot on the other end. Still sitting there, we just assumed it was some other kids or people, no big deal. The next thing we know we hear knocking at the window-So I roll the window down and see a badge hanging from a gentleman's neck wearing street clothes. The man promptly asks "What you boys doing?" - I, quickly replied amidst the smoke - "Just smoking marijuana sir" From there the officer asked us to step out, hand over the half smoked joint and called over his partner who quickly arrived and began the search of the vehicle. After an unsuccessful search of the vehcile they continued on by taking out ID's and bringing them back to the Tahoe, where the other officer made sure we didnt do anything dumb. While standing there waiting, we struck of a conversation with the officer. We asked "SO what agency are you guys?" and he replied that he was part of the Tri-County task force that works on ridding drugs from the community. We talked about local issues, and got talking about how much of a problem meth is and what types of people are using it- moms, dads, little kids, professionals, low lifes, etc... As the other officer returned he handed us our IDs and began by saying "Welll, you boys have squeaky clean records- You both look like intelligent kids ( we were both well dress, clean cut guys, who opted out of sloshing out brains away at a bar like the HUNDREDs of college kids we sat in class with and eventually would graduate with)...He continued to say that "Basically, you guys are under our radar- We get it, you're young college guys, smoking a doobie after a long day of class-you're out of the way of traffic and people, you're not driving around and doing so, you're not doing it in day light" "You guys, we have bigger fish to fry" He also said that "The best thing I could have said when he approached was - ""Just smoking marijuana officer"" He went on by saying " You can sit here and hang out until your high goes away, or if you're fine , I'd suggest that you guys drive home and have a beer"... -What was ironic was that we weren't even 21.
Basically we were 2 responsible dudes that while our collegues, friends, classmates were out getting trashed making stupid decisions-we had intellectual conversation about our coursework while listening to the newest Oasis album in my car in a remote area.
I'm proud to say that I was that kid and not the kids slurring my words and screaming out obscene things, and pinching ladies butts at a bar...
11-10-2008, 11:02 PM
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So......you don't think it should be legalized, but it is admittedly less harmful than alcohol and tobacco. Unless you are a closet prohibitionist, I am beginning to wonder if you can discern up from down. Besides that, and your insistance on calling people out only for certain vices, I agree wholeheartedly with you.
11-10-2008, 11:05 PM
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That is a great story. The world needs fewer drunks and more tokers.
11-11-2008, 08:08 AM
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So......you don't think it should be legalized, but it is admittedly less harmful than alcohol and tobacco. Unless you are a closet prohibitionist, I am beginning to wonder if you can discern up from down. Besides that, and your insistance on calling people out only for certain vices, I agree wholeheartedly with you.
Haha, yes I made it very confusing. I no longer dabble in that stuff, as I have grown up and closed that chapter of the books. I think that as it is becoming accepted, there still are people who would put marijuana in the same boat as alcohol.
Both are very acceptable in my opinion if used discretely, in moderation, and used by individuals who are mature enough to handle it in a proper manner.
Those instances with alcohol i listed are freak incidents. They could have all be avoided with moderate, social drinking-like many of us take part in..
11-11-2008, 08:23 AM
Location: Yootó
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I have no logical argument against legalization, I just don't see it happening in our current society.
11-11-2008, 08:57 AM
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11-11-2008, 09:36 AM
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I think that marijuana should be legalized simply because 1) tons of people do it anyways 2) the mob and gang members will not be able to price it.
I already gave my opinion on this topic in another thread on the subject, but I'll say this:
-After WWII, the American Lung Association did a massive 7 year study on cigarette smoking. Thousands of subjects were studied form young to old, black to white, male and female, smoker and non-smoker. It was this study that 'proved' that cigarette smoking causes lung cancer. An interesting note, though, is that prior to WWII most people got their nicotine through pipes, cigars, chew or snuff. Rates of lung cancer were relatively low until people began inhaling tobacco into their lungs via cigarettes. With all of the pipe and cigar smoke you'd think that the rates of cancer caused by second hand smoke would have been higher.
No study of this magnitude has been done on marijuana. It's hard to say if marijuana causes cancer or not partially be a lack of study on the subject and also because a lot of people who smoke pot may not admit to it if asked, or they may lie about the amount that they smoke and everyone that I know who smokes pot, except for one, also smokes cigarettes.
-Marijuana, tobacco and alcohol are all natural, form the earth.
-Marijuana may not be physically addicting, but it sure is mentally. I have lost track of how many times one of my mellow pot smoking friends began to act like a raging di*khead because they had no weed to smoke. Or they were making 3-am phone calls to everyone in that they knew, and driving all over town, acting like a crackhead, just for weed. Doesn't that sound like addiction? Needing pot to mellow out?
-No one has gotten into a car accident because unless they just smoked prior, those responding to the scene will have know way of knowing. You can smell alcohol on the breath hours after you've stopped drinking. Do you honestly think that a person who wrecked their car after toking up is going to admit to doing so?
I have been in many a car ride when the driver had said something to the effect of Glad we made it, I was almost too stoned to drive . I have even said that myself.
-I have long since stopped smoking pot because it makes me feel like I am going batsh*t crazy, even just smelling the stuff can trigger anxiety. So, because of that, I have a staunch Do not smoke your pot around me policy. But you know what? You know how many of my friends and others that I encounter who still think that it is okay to toke up in my house, or car? Without even asking and just assuming that I would be cool with it? Almost all of them. They just can't wait five more minutes until I park the car and they could smoke themselves silly.
11-11-2008, 09:47 AM
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And, an eighth of pot is around $50. That eighth would last most people I know three days tops, so that is roughly $100 a week that they are spending on pot.
I had a room mate once who smoked pot everyday. This guy lost his job and didn't work for about a month. We lived in a five-bedroom, two story apartment with three other people. He was the one who dealt with the landlord, so we all gave him our rent money. This guy, who could barely afford to eat ramon, left the house with the rent money and returned later with a case of beer and an ounce of pot. He darted the issue of how he was able to afford his purchase and even had the audacity to accuse another room mate of not paying rent as the reason for the total rent being short. The accused roommate eventually caved in and forked over more money.
Yeah, pot smokers never do anything shady
11-11-2008, 10:01 AM
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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I've been pushing for legalization for years. The government should legalize marijuana and heavily tax it. The tax revenues could be used to pay off debts and balance the budget as well as provide for marijuana studies and education.
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Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)