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Old 01-28-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Southern New Hampshire
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In MS it takes a special school board vote to allow a non-abstinence focused sex ed class. (Mississippi School Health Policies - Mississippi Office of Healthy Schools) I'm guessing those folks would never get reelected so . . . . hmmm. Does anyone know of any school district that permits sex ed classes to deal with real prevention? Where I grew up, it's abstinence only, and I can't tell you how many girls had babies before marriage. All Southern Baptists too, I might add.
Honestly, this is mind-boggling to me. I wish teenagers would wait to have sex. I wish there were zero need for abortion. But I live in the real world. Let's prevent pregnancies from happening in the first place. But some aren't in favor of THAT either.

And to my new Mississippi "friend": thanks for the rep points -- I'll ignore the rude remark. Have a lovely day.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Atlanta & NYC
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How do you propose MSians "tackle the problem" of teen pregnancy?
There are a bunch of ways to preach safe sex. I just don't think it's right to say that an abortion clinic should stay open just because there a bunch of teens getting pregnant. That's not why these types of clinics should be around.
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:08 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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I am so impressed.
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:32 PM
 
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There are a bunch of ways to preach safe sex. I just don't think it's right to say that an abortion clinic should stay open just because there a bunch of teens getting pregnant. That's not why these types of clinics should be around.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but it's obvious that you don't understand the political and religious climate in the state. Most (all the schools I'm aware of) teach abstinence only. It requires a vote by elected officials to change that, and they won't be re-elected if they stand against the perceived current. That's why the clinic will likely be closed. The people who could change things and would like to see things change won't stick out their necks to do it. Issues change, but the underlying problems never do.
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Atlanta & NYC
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but it's obvious that you don't understand the political and religious climate in the state. Most (all the schools I'm aware of) teach abstinence only. It requires a vote by elected officials to change that, and they won't be re-elected if they stand against the perceived current. That's why the clinic will likely be closed. The people who could change things and would like to see things change won't stick out their necks to do it. Issues change, but the underlying problems never do.
Never knew that. Thank you for informing me.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:26 PM
 
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Honestly, I was surprised Mississippi hasn't outlawed abortion yet, and Alabama has.
No state has "outlawed" abortion. Access to abortion remains a constitutional right, subject only to restrictions imposed by the states. Some states restrict more than others. Many restrictions have been stricken after courts have found that they impose an undue burden on women seeking abortion, and otherwise fail to comply with the Constitution. No state can outlaw abortion prior to viability, which is generally accepted as being at around weeks 20-21.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:28 PM
 
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I don't consider Mississippi's opposition to abortion a sign of backwardness at all. More and more Americans are coming to believe that abortion is murder, and is wrong. Therefore, Mississippi happens to be on the leading edge of popular opinion and cultural change on this issue.
What planet are you on ? The 40th anniversary of Roe v. Wade was this past January 22, less than a week ago. Apparently you didn't see this:
NBC/WSJ poll: Majority, for first time, want abortion to be legal - First Read
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:44 PM
 
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Honestly, this is mind-boggling to me. I wish teenagers would wait to have sex. I wish there were zero need for abortion. But I live in the real world. Let's prevent pregnancies from happening in the first place. But some aren't in favor of THAT either.

And to my new Mississippi "friend": thanks for the rep points -- I'll ignore the rude remark. Have a lovely day.
I hate to tell you, but if two kids wanna have sex, they're going to. Nothing you say, preach, dictate, impose, legislate, or command is going to make a difference. The only way to prevent pregnancy is to show teens how to have sex safely: with a condom. Period. If you're working on another theory, you get a failing grade.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Jackson County, MS
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I'm not going to engage in "polling data combat", because I can just as easily find polls that support my position as anyone else can to support theirs. And please, don't use ad hominem attacks like "most rational people agree with me" when making your point.

To all you fools who think the government can't tell you what you can and cannot do with your body, WAKE UP! Why can you not legally smoke marijuana? It's your body, and you have a right to do with it what you please. NOT.

Why is prostitution illegal? It's your body, and you have a right to do with it what you please. NOT.

Why can you not have one of your kidneys removed and sold to someone who needs a kidney? It's your body, and you have a right to do with it what you please. NOT.

Wait until ObamaCare is fully implemented. Fat people and smokers will be subject to higher premiums in their exchanges. It's your body, and you have a right to do with it what you please. NOT.

In many states, next time you hop on a motorcycle, just leave that helmet at home. It's your body, and you have a right to do with it what you please. NOT.

There is a 100% effective way to avoid unwanted pregnancy, and that is abstinence. Why should people who object to abortion for any reason have to tolerate it in their society for the sake of women who are unwilling/unable to control themselves sexually? I am not talking rape or incest, I am talking about the women who choose to behave in a way they KNOW may result in a pregnancy, when they can just as easily choose not to.

Why do people from outside MS even care whether abortion is available here? That is a rhetorical question and no response is required/desired.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:57 PM
 
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Why should people who object to abortion for any reason have to tolerate it in their society for the sake of women who are unwilling/unable to control themselves sexually?

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Why do people from outside MS even care whether abortion is available here? That is a rhetorical question and no response is required/desired.
Your first question answered: Because what some stranger of a woman does with her body is none of your g'damn business.

Your second question answered: Because someone needs to tell you the answer to the first question.
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