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This is the most absurd bill. Where does Gunn think they revenue will be made up if no one pays income taxes? It's the dumbest person I have ever heard in my life.
Why does the revenue have to be made up? The Government should be shrunk and have to get more efficient. Then when they cant possibly cut anything else, should be cut again.
The other side of that is when people are allowed to keep more of their money, the economy grows. Thus revenues increase anyways.
Why does the revenue have to be made up? The Government should be shrunk and have to get more efficient. Then when they cant possibly cut anything else, should be cut again.
The other side of that is when people are allowed to keep more of their money, the economy grows. Thus revenues increase anyways.
You live in a state that doesn't fund education like they are legally supposed to do and the infrastructure of this state is shambles. Where do you think that money comes from? Out of then air I suppose. And the so called trigger is a sham too. From what I've read there's a reason why it won't pass the Senate more than likely and why the Governor wants no part of it. Like the title says, you can't fix stupid. So yes let's cut departments until there is nothing left. Yep, you're a Tea Party Republican.
You can't take 31% of the state's revenue and not make it up somewhere else. You're either going to have to raise the sales tax to what is similar in Texas or Tennessee which is about 9% or a little over and raise property taxes. This is supposed to help the middle class? This will absolutely kill them. You want to help the middle class? Kill the grocery tax. Do something meaningful. The sales tax is 36% of the states revenue and I think corporate taxes are like 13% I believe. So how do you supposed to make up 31% of the states current revenue? Cutting departments ain't going to work Einstein.
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You live in a state that doesn't fund education like they are legally supposed to do and the infrastructure of this state is shambles. Where do you think that money comes from? Out of then air I suppose. And the so called trigger is a sham too. From what I've read there's a reason why it won't pass the Senate more than likely and why the Governor wants no part of it. Like the title says, you can't fix stupid. So yes let's cut departments until there is nothing left. Yep, you're a Tea Party Republican.
You can't take 31% of the state's revenue and not make it up somewhere else. You're either going to have to raise the sales tax to what is similar in Texas or Tennessee which is about 9% or a little over and raise property taxes. This is supposed to help the middle class? This will absolutely kill them. You want to help the middle class? Kill the grocery tax. Do something meaningful. The sales tax is 36% of the states revenue and I think corporate taxes are like 13% I believe. So how do you supposed to make up 31% of the states current revenue? Cutting departments ain't going to work Einstein.
You and I are not going to change each others minds. I am perfectly fine with cutting and then cutting some more....and then cutting again.
If you dont work, you dont eat.
If you want an education, you can get one is a cheap building you can help clean. Not the palaces we keep building for kids to go to school in. I dont have a problem with government run public education. The current system is broken. Throwing more money at it wont fix it, it will just make it more expensive.
Government and government "departments" are often the best solution. Shut down as many as you can and gut most of what is remaining.
For the most part, I dont want government solving problems. I want industry to solve problems and the government to be the arbitrator of the marketplace and the light hand of regulation.
I fully understand you see it differently.
BTW, dont cast me into a political box over a single issue. It is very myopic of you.
I just want to edit one word on this. (in bold) It should have been there in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Neshomamench
You and I are not going to change each others minds. I am perfectly fine with cutting and then cutting some more....and then cutting again.
If you dont work, you dont eat.
If you want an education, you can get one is a cheap building you can help clean. Not the palaces we keep building for kids to go to school in. I dont have a problem with government run public education. The current system is broken. Throwing more money at it wont fix it, it will just make it more expensive.
Government and government "departments" are often NOT the best solution. Shut down as many as you can and gut most of what is remaining.
For the most part, I dont want government solving problems. I want industry to solve problems and the government to be the arbitrator of the marketplace and the light hand of regulation.
I fully understand you see it differently.
BTW, dont cast me into a political box over a single issue. It is very myopic of you.
You live in a state that doesn't fund education like they are legally supposed to do and the infrastructure of this state is shambles. Where do you think that money comes from? Out of then air I suppose. And the so called trigger is a sham too. From what I've read there's a reason why it won't pass the Senate more than likely and why the Governor wants no part of it. Like the title says, you can't fix stupid. So yes let's cut departments until there is nothing left. Yep, you're a Tea Party Republican.
You can't take 31% of the state's revenue and not make it up somewhere else. You're either going to have to raise the sales tax to what is similar in Texas or Tennessee which is about 9% or a little over and raise property taxes. This is supposed to help the middle class? This will absolutely kill them. You want to help the middle class? Kill the grocery tax. Do something meaningful. The sales tax is 36% of the states revenue and I think corporate taxes are like 13% I believe. So how do you supposed to make up 31% of the states current revenue? Cutting departments ain't going to work Einstein.
What laws are currently being broken that involve education funding? Doesn't my county property tax already fund my local school even though I have no kids attending. So I'm paying for one of my neighbor's two kids to attend school.
State roads and bridges should be funded by a gas tax that is already in place. Federal roads should be paid with federal gas taxes. What other infrastructure are you speaking of? Water lines - city and county responsibility. Electrical lines - power company's responsibility. Gas lines - gas company. Train tracks - owner of said track.
What laws are currently being broken that involve education funding? Doesn't my county property tax already fund my local school even though I have no kids attending. So I'm paying for one of my neighbor's two kids to attend school.
State roads and bridges should be funded by a gas tax that is already in place. Federal roads should be paid with federal gas taxes. What other infrastructure are you speaking of? Water lines - city and county responsibility. Electrical lines - power company's responsibility. Gas lines - gas company. Train tracks - owner of said track.
That's all true.
Back when the Democrats ran things they passed a bill they knew could never be funded. That way they could (A) howl about the rich getting tax breaks and (B) could use it against the Republicans if it were not funded.
Doesn't matter. If we give the schools all the money they call for they will just build better football stadiums.
Democrats want people to look at everything but the Democratic track record; talk about everything except what matters. And media helps out when they can.
Doesn't matter. If we give the schools all the money they call for they will just build better football stadiums.
Now, now, Listener! There's so muchelse they will buy with that money! Not just fine stadiums and state-of-the-art mascot costumes: More hot, rippling, young assistant coaches are needed, to help channel budding teen's youthful impulses into satisfying activity (and help their mamas win the Ghetto Lottery, by giving those mamas excuses to sue the schools): Former Terry High coach sued - MSNewsNow.com - Jackson, MS (Hey! It's only tax money. It was gonna be wasted, ANYWAY: right?)
And BASEBALL? Well, I'll get in trouble for linking to the special story of the Porters - husband and wife coaches who really cared. But Ridgeland coaches are as helpful as Richland coaches, apparently. They provide much-needed counseling in times of distress.
And beyond the edification gained by hot coaches, fine stadiums, marching bands, and stuffed animals dancing on football fields, there is the INSPIRATION provided to young people, who might possibly, conceivably, occasionally, glimpse school administrators and school board members and educational bureaucrats, wearing fine suits, on their way into favored restaurants, preparing to savor ribs and skrimps, while they contemplate discussing the business of Education: Char Restaurant. And it takes sumptuous salaries, in order to enable the army of educational administrators and officials in their attendance of special conventions at grand hotels. The clothing must be right. The Navergaiters and Escalantes from which the educators alight must have new rims. Weaves and nailz must be freshly-applied. All of this, or the issues of education cannot be fully addressed. All this takes MONEY!
Now, some people might bring up examples of the Chinese, educating their children in freezing winters, in schools whose windows had been shattered by war. Or they will recall the Scottish (the first gentile nation to achieve Universal Literacy), schooling their children, despite their lack of wealth and comfort (and funding). The Scots basically invented Modern Democracy and the Modern World, despite a lack of mascots and pompoms. But that's neither here nor there.
And especially misguided persons might bring up the example of the Polish Gentiles, who had recently been declared a 'Subhuman Slave Race' by their new Nazi masters. The Poles secretly, and in spite of severe deprivations (and risking torture and death for doing so), managed to organize an entire secret educational system, with no public funding at all - this, despite orders from their rulers, that they were not to learn to count beyond 500, and should not learn to read, at all.: Education in Poland during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Well, those people might think that schools are about so-called "knowledge" and "libraries" and "teaching" and attaining so-called "competency", and such-as. But this is 2015, and we know better. School is about Spirit! It's about being engaged and enthused! It's about having a good athletic program: because that's what winning is all about!
I've long noticed a trend that the people screaming loudest to cut government spending always want to start with the spending that benefits other people. The spending they think doesn't benefit themselves. I'd love to see someone advocating for reducing government spending by volunteering to forgo maintenance on their local roads and bridges; saying they don't need police or other emergency services; or volunteering to take care of the elderly members of their family and forgo socialist programs like Social Security and Medicare.
Anyone care to guess the number one indicator for crime? It's poverty. Sure, you have the people who will steal even if they don't have to (the wall-street bankers who caused the last economic meltdown spring to mind), plus mental illness and addiction are also way up on the list. But for the most part crime is driven by poverty-fueled desperation. For every dollar you cut from social welfare programs you'll have to spend two dollars in law enforcement and prison funding. Would you rather pay $12,000/year (scroll down for MS's numbers) to support someone on welfare, or $18,000/year to support someone in state prison? Don't forget the cost for police to catch them and courts to try them. I know which number I'd rather pay, but then I use common sense.
Anyone care to guess the number one indicator for poverty? It's lack of education. Of course, you have lack of ambition (i.e., laziness) as well as mental illness and addiction (same with crime... go figure...) also way up on the list, but lack of education leading to lack of opportunity is always at the top.
You want to reduce crime and welfare? It's quite simple: Improve education. No, a teacher getting a 20% raise won't suddenly start teaching 20% better. But a bright college student who wants to improve the world won't even consider teaching as a career if all he gets is a promise of long hours and poverty-level wages. It takes a little money to attract the best teachers, otherwise you get glorified baby-sitters who teach-to-the-test.
And no, not everyone has the mental aptitude for college, but there are different kinds of education. I follow Mike Rowe on Facebook (of Dirty Jobs and Somebody's Got to Do It fame), and he advocates for more vocational education. Teaching people how to weld, or run construction equipment, or repair air conditioners, or fit pipes, or repair electrical transmission lines. His foundation will even give you a scholarship if you qualify.
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