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Old 08-05-2017, 05:59 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/b...ers-union.html
The vote wasn't really all that close; the union lost and there will be no union at Nissan.

The problem the union has these days is that they succeeded. They fought hard during the days when workers were exploited so badly, and got the workers to organize. But then they went and got laws passed that prevented companies from doing the things that unions put a stop to.

"So why do we need the union"?, people ask.
I guess the answer is, we don't - at least around here. People feel like they are treated about as fairly as is possible.
Besides, the union brought in outside help that was not viewed as being helpful. NAACP; Bernie Sanders; Danny Glover; religious leaders - I think that group actually hurt the union more it than helped them.
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Old 08-06-2017, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Behind You!
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[url]"So why do we need the union"?, people ask.
I guess the answer is, we don't - at least around here. People feel like they are treated about as fairly as is possible.
We'll see if that's the attitude when they feel the cost of health insurance that's not part of the Union group plan, the interest on bank loans not automatically approved at the best rate because of the Union, hows the pension gonna work? The fact their not beaten to death at work still leaves a LOT to be lost by voting out a Union! I've watched that crap happen more than once. Always the same ending.
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Old 08-06-2017, 07:34 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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................. Always the same ending.
Well, not always.
Unions have never made much progress in the south and have lost a lot of what they had in the north. In fact, union membership is in a 50 year decline.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../unio-j28.html

I don't have a horse in this race, but it seems to me the union trotted out some pretty unpopular entities and individuals and it worked against them.

i.e. Bernie Sanders?! In Mississippi? That's not smart. But maybe he was all they could afford.
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Old 08-06-2017, 09:02 PM
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/b...ers-union.html
The vote wasn't really all that close; the union lost and there will be no union at Nissan.

The problem the union has these days is that they succeeded. They fought hard during the days when workers were exploited so badly, and got the workers to organize. But then they went and got laws passed that prevented companies from doing the things that unions put a stop to.

"So why do we need the union"?, people ask.
I guess the answer is, we don't - at least around here. People feel like they are treated about as fairly as is possible.
Besides, the union brought in outside help that was not viewed as being helpful. NAACP; Bernie Sanders; Danny Glover; religious leaders - I think that group actually hurt the union more it than helped them.
If I was at a meeting for forming a union and Danny Glover walked in to support it, I would get up and walk the hell out. He was one of those that thought Venezuela was a model of socialist justice and went down there to rub elbows with Chavez. If you're that dumb, I'm surely not going to take your advice on anything that affects my livelihood.
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Old 08-07-2017, 07:45 AM
 
Location: The South
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If I was at a meeting for forming a union and Danny Glover walked in to support it, I would get up and walk the hell out. He was one of those that thought Venezuela was a model of socialist justice and went down there to rub elbows with Chavez. If you're that dumb, I'm surely not going to take your advice on anything that affects my livelihood.
Exactly.
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Old 08-07-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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The union made some boneheaded moves and this isn't the first time they voted against the union. If you don't like your job and think you can do better then quit. The UAW to me is a union that has a bad reputation.
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Old 08-07-2017, 06:17 PM
 
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Among the fifty states, Mississippi is last in average wages. Dead last. There's a reason for that.

Median Wages by State
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Old 08-07-2017, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Jack-town, Sip by way of TN, AL and FL
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Among the fifty states, Mississippi is last in average wages. Dead last. There's a reason for that.
It's not the lack of a union.
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Old 08-07-2017, 10:29 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Among the fifty states, Mississippi is last in average wages. Dead last. There's a reason for that.

Median Wages by State
The fact is, Mississippi is the cheapest state in the union to live in.
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1. Mississippi
Cost of Living Index: 87.8
Grocery Index: 90.1
Housing Index: 72.4
Transportation Index: 95.4
Utilities Index: 86.6
Health Index: 91.3
Misc: 95.9
In Mississippi, you're looking at a rent payment of around $875 (if you pay the state median). If you were to buy a home, low property taxes and lower-cost housing make Mississippi an affordable option. Zillow reports median home values are just over $112,000 and median list prices are currently $155,000. The median property tax rate is only 0.52%.
In addition to affordable housing, you can also find lower-priced food, healthcare, and utilities in the Magnolia state. In Jackson, utilities in a small place can be purchased for around $175 per month, and you and a guest can go out for the night for dinner and a movie for around $60.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ates/15075077/
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Old 08-08-2017, 10:01 AM
 
Location: 78745
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I worked in manufacturing since I was an adult and I've belonged to unions before. My experience with unions is i would pay my union dues each month and they take care of employees who miss a lot of work and the workers who are lazy and the f-ups who make it hard for all the workers.

A union has never helped me out in any kind of way. Not to toot my own horn, but I was always the kind of worker who showed up for work on time and did my job and got along with everybody, stayed out of trouble at work and went home at the end of the day. My parents did instill in me a good work ethic.

When I was in a union, I resented being forced to pay union dues and I never got any benefits from it. It was like legalized robbery.

If you are the kind of person who misses alot of work or shows up late, and does a job only half-ass, and then complains alot, and doesn't get along with co workers and bosses, a union is exactly what you would need to save your job.

If you're a good worker and show up for work on time, get along with people, obey the company rules and stay out of trouble, you won't need a union. These companies want to keep their good workers and they reward them in different kind of ways. Most big companies now-a- days have respect for their workers, where back before unions, they didnt, and many companies acted like they despised the workers..

Unions in my opinion, have outlasted their necessity. If it wasn't for unions way back in the day when they were needed, people would be working 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, no overtime pay, no paid vacations, no sick pay. Basically workers would be paid slaves.

That said, I would bet money the Nissan Company would threaten to leave the area if a unions got voted in.

Last edited by Ivory Lee Spurlock; 08-08-2017 at 10:09 AM..
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