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Old 04-28-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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What are the historical neighborhoods in Vicksburg? Are they safe?
Where does the OLD MONEY live?
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Old 04-28-2018, 06:50 PM
 
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The historic (not 'historical') neighborhoods are near the river. The old money is scattered.... what few "Old Money" families remain. Most of Vicksburg's "prominent" (not necessarily old) families, today, are descended from the Carpetbaggers who arrived during Reconstruction. They are not "Old Money" by Southern standards.

No, those neighborhoods are NOT safe.

The Old Vicksburg families (and what few remaining family heirlooms people might want to steal from them), are in Santa Barbara (LOTS of them, since the '20s), Scottsdale (LOTS of them, since the '20s). Southampton (NY), Park Avenue (NYC), Grosse Pointe, Durango (I know of one FFV - 'First Families of Vicksburg' descendant, who married a big insurance broker, was a Highland Park socialite, then retired to a palatial "lodge" outside Durango), Aspen, Beverly Hills, Highland Park (Texas), River Oaks (Houston, Texas), Druid Hills (Atlanta - where I hear a cousin of the Highland Park/Durango FFV descendant, married into a big plastics fortune, and into a coveted membership in the Druid Hills Country Club), Isle of Palms (South Carolina), Charleston (South Carolina, where, I hear one FFV descendant just married one of "The Vanderbilts of Charleston" - the "Vanderbilt" was after HIS family's officially 'Ultra-Ultra-High' net worth, by the way. ... all of that money having been made AFTER the family fled Mississippi, as is usually the case).

Few descendants of the old Norman English/Norse Protestant and Alsatian/Sephardic Jewish families (the two primary groups who qualify as "Old Money", in Mississippi), remain in the entire state. There are a good many Black aristocrats, from very old and very distinguished families (https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...-30333#photo22) living in the Jackson area (traditionally in the Hanging Moss Road estate area https://www.google.com/maps/@32.3910...7i13312!8i6656 , and in Madison), but again, you'll find more of their descendants in Atlanta, View Park (https://la.curbed.com/2016/7/23/1225...istoric-places), Martha's Vineyard, and Prince George's County, than you'll find in Mississippi.

Most of the people doing well in the state, now, are descendants of the Old Families' Celtic slaves. They thrive in the vacuum left by the departing elites. Basically, those whose ancestors did NOT drop dead from hard work in Mississippi's deadly heat, are the ones who remain. Natural Selection....

They're a resilient bunch - very cynical, highly reactive, and very resistant to "authority", which is probably necessary, all things considered. They speak a cryptic form of English, in which words and phrases mean entirely different things than they do elsewhere ("Bless your heart" being one of the more obvious). Nuance, context, tone, posture, and pauses, mean more than the actual words. LOTS of people go down there from 'up North', thinking they'll fleece the local rubes. But the opposite happens, and plenty Yankees end up offing themselves, after they've been shown as fools, and bankrupted.

But just google 'Vicksburg Historic Mansion' (https://www.google.com/search?q=vick...h=737&dpr=1.33), or 'Vicksburg Victorian Mansion', and you'll find the neighborhoods. But NO!!!!! They're NOT "safe": https://www.google.com/search?q=Jacq...nt=firefox-b-1

Another lady, with less money than Mrs. Levitz, renovated an adorable Vicksburg cottage. Here's what SHE got for her efforts: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-...ghost-hunters/

One final thought:
Virtually NONE of the historic districts in Mississippi's towns are "safe". For that reason, the people inside the historic homes are locked & loaded, not to mention ready, willing, & ABLE, to blow the heads off people who come breaking down their doors in the dead of night: http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...716-story.html

For that matter, jumping them in their driveways, in broad daylight, doesn't work too well, either: http://kingfish1935.blogspot.com/201...e-shooter.html

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Old 09-06-2018, 11:23 AM
 
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OMG best post I've ever read on City-Data!!! We were in hysterics and solidified in our resolve NOT to go to Mississippi.
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Old 09-06-2018, 04:55 PM
 
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OMG best post I've ever read on City-Data!!! We were in hysterics and solidified in our resolve NOT to go to Mississippi.
You really should visit Mississippi. When the locals get to know you well, they will appreciate your vast knowledge about how the folks in Oregon do things. Maybe if you make a few friends, you will get invited to go snipe hunting. Don’t turn down the offer , you will have a ball. Bless yo little heart.
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Old 09-06-2018, 07:15 PM
 
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Oh, MY! With all this tension in the air, I think it's time for a montage. ...perfect occasion for 'The Southern Man Trilogy' - by different musicians, in response to each other. This'll be great, for viewing pictures of those Vicksburg mansions (and murders) from the comfort and safety of one's own home screening room. I'll start with the last and best one, by Warren Zevon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsJlqgoSC_Y

Before that, and direct inspiration for Zevon, there was this inescapable classic (inescapable, if you turned on the radio in Mississippi, for about thirty years - and still inescapable in Mississippi's public spaces where they play 'Classic Rock') https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cyokaj3BJU

And before those, there was the whiny, ridiculous, clueless, condescending and insulting grandpappy song of Southern Exploitation Music, which got hunky Lynrd Skynrd all upset, and thus begat the others: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LkCSrLGIRs

And just in case one's schmaltzbucket runneth-not-over quite yet, here's the richest concentration of schmalz, ever: Mississippi's own Paul Ott Caruth, with a song about Mississippi, presented by Mississippi native Sela Ward, who's doing her best not to vomit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SwNSSa-f0w
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Old 09-06-2018, 08:08 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The historic (not 'historical') neighborhoods are near the river. The old money is scattered.... what few "Old Money" families remain. Most of Vicksburg's "prominent" (not necessarily old) families, today, are descended from the Carpetbaggers who arrived during Reconstruction. They are not "Old Money" by Southern standards................
Kind of interesting, I thought.
I have never found any old money Southerners whose money predated "Th' Wa-wah". I have looked, asked questions, visited and listened. But, no. As far as I know, every single dollar of every single Southern fortune was lost in 1865.

The Carpetbaggers of reconstruction helped. There is an entire section of Natchez cemetery devoted to the Jewish merchants who filled the need for business activity after 1865. The fact that their temple sits on the highest point of land in Natchez was not lost on us. It will not be lost on you, either.
But those people moved on. Took their carpetbags and left.


Vicksburg? Vicksburg fell in 1863. I lived not far from there in 1963, and it was still falling. Drove through there last Spring, and hell, it ain't hit bottom yet!
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Old 09-07-2018, 09:10 PM
 
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Actually downtown is nice with several bars and restaurants, but go a few blocks too far at night and it can get rough. I'm sure there are some tour operators that can show you around.

For MS, Vicksburg is not a bad town, it is a mid-tier with many places much worse.
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Old 09-08-2018, 04:58 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Gettysburg makes a ton of dough off the battlefield there. Given that Vicksburg was far more important than Gettysburg and that the Vicksburg battlefield park is a gem one wonders if the city could make more hay from the battlefield.

Of course given that the Union troops at Vicksburg were rough westerners from Illinois, Iowa, Indiana and such instead of chattering class easterners, Gettysburg is more famous. But recent trends in Civil War scholarship recognize and emphasize that the western theater—Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia—was of more importance than the eastern theater—mainly Virginia and a little Maryland and Pennsylvania. And that it was the Midwest, not the Northeast, that saved the Union.
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Old 09-09-2018, 07:59 PM
 
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You really should visit Mississippi. When the locals get to know you well, they will appreciate your vast knowledge about how the folks in Oregon do things. Maybe if you make a few friends, you will get invited to go snipe hunting. Don’t turn down the offer , you will have a ball. Bless yo little heart.
oh i love snipe hunting, may sure you take a burlap bag, whole mess of them make some mighty fine eating
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Old 09-10-2018, 12:12 PM
 
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A little Jewish girl was the only casualty Natchez suffered during the American Civil War. Her name was Rosalie.

According to this video the Jewish presence started it's decline in Natchez during the 1950s. I regret not visiting Temple B'nai Israel when I visited. What a fascinating place. https://youtu.be/oezQ2pcQH5s

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