U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Covid-19 Information Page
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Mississippi
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 10-23-2018, 02:38 PM
 
168 posts, read 141,206 times
Reputation: 359

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by AnonymousPerson11 View Post
old videos of people in poverty.
That IS Greenville and Greenwood. That was the whole point of this exercise. Ride through both of those towns sometime -- you'll see.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 10-23-2018, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest & NYC Central Park South
3,321 posts, read 4,577,524 times
Reputation: 12540
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnonymousPerson11 View Post
Is Greenville, Mississippi and Greenwood, Mississippi a good place to live for a young college graduate making $18,000 to $20,000 annually? What is it actually like to live those specific cities in 2018? Can they financially survive in both Greenville and Greenwood, MS as well as the Mississippi Delta making $10.00 to $11.00 dollars per hour? The graduate is not from Mississippi and is more than 1,000 miles from their home. The job they are doing is not in agriculture nor education.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnonymousPerson11 View Post
Nobody has really answered my question about the two cities/towns.
Is Greenville, Mississippi and Greenwood, Mississippi a good place to live for a young college graduate making $18,000 to $20,000 annually?

No! It will be difficult, miserable, and dangerous, for a person making twenty thousand Dollars per-year. If those words are too hard for you (I sense you are not a native speaker, and not industrious enough, to search for translations), I'll make it simple: Greenwood and Greenville will be BAD. The locals may ROB and/or KILL you (https://www.google.com/search?client...30.V77B2mM10m4). They may try to get you addicted to drugs, so that you will buy drugs from them. If you live in a cheap part of town (all you can afford, on your salary), they may keep you awake all night, with their booming music, and the loud mufflers on their vehicles. You will not be able to work, because you cannot sleep. You will get fired. You may develop Sleep Deprivation Psychosis (http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/slee...tal-efficiency), dental problems, heart problems (https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1114143833.htm) - even SHINGLES, because the neighbors may keep you awake all night - undermining your immune system.

Many of the locals will try to have sex with pretty-much-ANYTHING (Greenwood man caught having sex with hogs | The Mississippi Link). And so it will be safe to assume that they'll come after you, too. To put it more simply: RAPE DANGER!!! Pigs! Unclean!

What is it actually like to live those specific cities in 2018?
BAD. It is like living in the Third World. In Greenwood and Greenville, people with money live in OK places and have OK lives - not great lives - just OK. The poor people live in bad places, and ruin each other's lives. You will be a poor person, on 20,000-per-year. These are the neighborhoods you will be able to afford, paying around five hundred Dollars per month: (usual warnings about LANGUAGE) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMLnhY5aJwk.

Many or most people with money, and most people without money, want to leave Greenwood and Greenville and Mississippi. Many of them do.

This is the kind of music you will hear, in Greenville and Greenwood, in neighborhoods where the rent is $500.00 per month: (CAUTION: Adult Rap Language ahead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erAVZ47vALA). That was recorded IN GREENWOOD, by a Greenwood artist. The video's photo was taken in Greenwood, in the sort of neighborhood you will be able to afford, there. Listening is not optional. You cannot avoid hearing it. People will drive by your house, day and night, playing that sort of music - so loud your windows will shake. (CAUTION: Adult Language Ahead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktJ2N69qoiA ) See?

This is a Greenville recording artist. This is the sort of music you will hear, in Greenville, in neighborhoods where the rent is $500.00 per month (ADULT LANGUAGE and CELLULITE AHEAD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYGgH1N3jL0). That video is actually an accurate depiction of Greenville, today, in 2018. ...the parts of Greenville, where the rent is $500.00, which is what you will be able to afford, on $20,000.00 per year. Your neighbors may ruin your life. And, in case that video was too old to be relevant, in keeping with to your ultra-specific requirements, here's a new one from four weeks ago (2018...) (CAUTION: Adult language and situations ahead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmmQY8Pigg4).

People with money, generally doctors and heavy implement dealers, live in another part of Greenville (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.3653...7i13312!8i6656) Yes, that seems to be a stretch limousine, in front of that Palladian villa. Frequently, in towns like Greenville, Beverly Hills, and Old Westbury, NY, limousines are used as GUARDHOUSES-on-wheels. Security can sit outside, rather than inhibit family life, inside. And if guards have to deal with interlopers, they can just throw them in the trunk - and drive off to make whatever arrangements are necessary... Then again, Greenville's wealthy, since the 1960s, have been known for carpooling their children to their private schools (there are three) in limousines. And the town (the better part) has always been known for its tall hedges and extreme exclusivity. Currently, most of the money and power are in the hands of Sicilian and Lebanese Catholics.

Here, Greenwood ranks number 2, on the 'Most Dangerous Cities in Mississippi' list! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21cR54WyYmk

And did I mention TOXINS? In both Greenwood and Greenville, you're surrounded by farming operations. Modern farms use tons of herbicides and pesticides. They're everywhere: in the air, in the water... You can look up the Cancer/Leukemia rates on your own. And be aware that researchers are linking Overall Toxin Load with Obesity. Mississippi often leads the nation in Obesity.

Can they financially survive in both Greenville and Greenwood, MS as well as the Mississippi Delta making $10.00 to $11.00 dollars per hour?
No. Not really.

The graduate is not from Mississippi and is more than 1,000 miles from their home. The job they are doing is not in agriculture nor education.

And no, there is no place much better than Greenwood and Greenville, in Mississippi, for a young person with an income of twenty thousand Dollars per year. The state is frequently listed as the Worst Place to be Black, the Worst Place to be a Child, the Worst Place to be Poor, and the Worst Place to be a Woman (Mississippi Worst State for Women, Study Finds | Jackson Free Press | Jackson, MS). The state is on the shortlist of "Worst Places", in many categories: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/28/amer...e-in-2018.html

There are gorgeous homes and neighborhoods in almost every town, and people manage to have decent lives. But you have to be smart, resourceful, self-sufficient, prosperous, and PRUDENT, to do well there. Mississippi's not for everybody. And it's definitely NOT the place to move to, if you're young, single, and low-income.

Mississippi's a great place, if you fit certain criteria. I outlined those criteria in an earlier post.

Last edited by GrandviewGloria; 10-23-2018 at 04:47 PM..
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-23-2018, 05:14 PM
 
17 posts, read 11,505 times
Reputation: 15
What types of apartment can the person really afford in Greenville and Greenwood, MS? I am not a foreigner as I live in around part of the USA (Northeast) and the music I listen to is rock music as a person of color (not Caucasian/Hispanic/Asian/Middle Eastern) who is fully open to new ideas, interracial dating, education, and adventure.

Here is more information on my profession: The journalism field starts out between $18,000 to $29,000 (depends on the geographical location market size and the job position). Individuals that want to start their career in news have to go to a small city/town to get their foot in the door. See the documentary, “Small Market, Big Dreams”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1lwjVw_low&app=desktop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1lwjVw_low&app=desktop

https://www.advancingthestory.com/20...ts-big-dreams/
https://www.advancingthestory.com/20...ts-big-dreams/

Anything about WABG-TV (The Delta News) as that is the potential/ future employer that wants me for employment? https://www.deltanews.tv/

Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandviewGloria View Post
Is Greenville, Mississippi and Greenwood, Mississippi a good place to live for a young college graduate making $18,000 to $20,000 annually?

No! It will be difficult, miserable, and dangerous, for a person making twenty thousand Dollars per-year. If those words are too hard for you (I sense you are not a native speaker, and not industrious enough, to search for translations), I'll make it simple: Greenwood and Greenville will be BAD. The locals may ROB and/or KILL you (https://www.google.com/search?client...30.V77B2mM10m4). They may try to get you addicted to drugs, so that you will buy drugs from them. If you live in a cheap part of town (all you can afford, on your salary), they may keep you awake all night, with their booming music, and the loud mufflers on their vehicles. You will not be able to work, because you cannot sleep. You will get fired. You may develop Sleep Deprivation Psychosis (http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/slee...tal-efficiency), dental problems, heart problems (https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1114143833.htm) - even SHINGLES, because the neighbors may keep you awake all night - undermining your immune system.

Many of the locals will try to have sex with pretty-much-ANYTHING (Greenwood man caught having sex with hogs | The Mississippi Link). And so it will be safe to assume that they'll come after you, too. To put it more simply: RAPE DANGER!!! Pigs! Unclean!

What is it actually like to live those specific cities in 2018?
BAD. It is like living in the Third World. In Greenwood and Greenville, people with money live in OK places and have OK lives - not great lives - just OK. The poor people live in bad places, and ruin each other's lives. You will be a poor person, on 20,000-per-year. These are the neighborhoods you will be able to afford, paying around five hundred Dollars per month: (usual warnings about LANGUAGE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMLnhY5aJwk.


Many or most people with money, and most people without money, want to leave Greenwood and Greenville and Mississippi. Many of them do.

This is the kind of music you will hear, in Greenville and Greenwood, in neighborhoods where the rent is $500.00 per month: (CAUTION: Adult Rap Language ahead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erAVZ47vALA). That was recorded IN GREENWOOD, by a Greenwood artist. The video's photo was taken in Greenwood, in the sort of neighborhood you will be able to afford, there. Listening is not optional. You cannot avoid hearing it. People will drive by your house, day and night, playing that sort of music - so loud your windows will shake. (CAUTION: Adult Language Ahead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktJ2N69qoiA )
See?


This is a Greenville recording artist. This is the sort of music you will hear, in Greenville, in neighborhoods where the rent is $500.00 per month (ADULT LANGUAGE and CELLULITE AHEAD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYGgH1N3jL0). That video is actually an accurate depiction of Greenville, today, in 2018. ...the parts of Greenville, where the rent is $500.00, which is what you will be able to afford, on $20,000.00 per year. Your neighbors may ruin your life. And, in case that video was too old to be relevant, in keeping with to your ultra-specific requirements, here's a new one from four weeks ago (2018...) (CAUTION: Adult language and situations ahead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmmQY8Pigg4).

People with money, generally doctors and heavy implement dealers, live in another part of Greenville (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.3653...7i13312!8i6656) Yes, that seems to be a stretch limousine, in front of that Palladian villa. Frequently, in towns like Greenville, Beverly Hills, and Old Westbury, NY, limousines are used as GUARDHOUSES-on-wheels. Security can sit outside, rather than inhibit family life, inside. And if guards have to deal with interlopers, they can just throw them in the trunk - and drive off to make whatever arrangements are necessary... Then again, Greenville's wealthy, since the 1960s, have been known for carpooling their children to their private schools (there are three) in limousines. And the town (the better part) has always been known for its tall hedges and extreme exclusivity. Currently, most of the money and power are in the hands of Sicilian and Lebanese Catholics.

Here, Greenwood ranks number 2, on the 'Most Dangerous Cities in Mississippi' list!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21cR54WyYmk


And did I mention TOXINS? In both Greenwood and Greenville, you're surrounded by farming operations. Modern farms use tons of herbicides and pesticides. They're everywhere: in the air, in the water... You can look up the Cancer/Leukemia rates on your own. And be aware that researchers are linking Overall Toxin Load with Obesity. Mississippi often leads the nation in Obesity.

Can they financially survive in both Greenville and Greenwood, MS as well as the Mississippi Delta making $10.00 to $11.00 dollars per hour?
No. Not really.

The graduate is not from Mississippi and is more than 1,000 miles from their home. The job they are doing is not in agriculture nor education.

And no, there is no place much better than Greenwood and Greenville, in Mississippi, for a young person with an income of twenty thousand Dollars per year. The state is frequently listed as the Worst Place to be Black, the Worst Place to be a Child, the Worst Place to be Poor, and the Worst Place to be a Woman (Mississippi Worst State for Women, Study Finds | Jackson Free Press | Jackson, MS). The state is on the shortlist of "Worst Places", in many categories: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/28/amer...e-in-2018.html

There are gorgeous homes and neighborhoods in almost every town, and people manage to have decent lives. But you have to be smart, resourceful, self-sufficient, prosperous, and PRUDENT, to do well there. Mississippi's not for everybody. And it's definitely NOT the place to move to, if you're young, single, and low-income.

Mississippi's a great place, if you fit certain criteria. I outlined those criteria in an earlier post.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-23-2018, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest & NYC Central Park South
3,321 posts, read 4,577,524 times
Reputation: 12540
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnonymousPerson11 View Post
What types of apartment can the person really afford in Greenville and Greenwood, MS? I am not a foreigner as I live in around part of the USA (Northeast) and the music I listen to is rock music as a person of color (not Caucasian/Hispanic/Asian/Middle Eastern) who is fully open to new ideas, interracial dating, education, and adventure.

Here is more information on my profession: The journalism field starts out between $18,000 to $29,000 (depends on the geographical location market size and the job position). Individuals that want to start their career in news have to go to a small city/town to get their foot in the door. See the documentary, “Small Market, Big Dreams”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1lwjVw_low&app=desktop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1lwjVw_low&app=desktop

https://www.advancingthestory.com/20...ts-big-dreams/
https://www.advancingthestory.com/20...ts-big-dreams/

Anything about WABG-TV (The Delta News) as that is the potential/ future employer that wants me for employment? https://www.deltanews.tv/
This should give you a bit of insight regarding the station: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4262344/

In Greenville, this seems to be your only LISTED option, in your price range https://www.apartments.com/1548-smit...le-ms/1s75mp6/ Here it is, on GoogleMap, you can 'drive around', on your own. Looks like the 'Major Food Groups' are all nearby. If you can't sleep, at least you won't starve: https://www.google.com/maps/place/15...!4d-91.0336449

It looks like a converted motel, which is good, since the walls between units are concrete block (slows fires, may stop bullets, and reduces noise transmission.) There may even be concrete floors of some kind, which would be GREAT, for the same reasons masonry walls are great.

As I said in an earlier post, your Employer is going to have to find something for you, if you want quiet, safe, and affordable. The best rental situations, except for the expensive ones, are HIDDEN - never advertised - which is the way it has to be, in Mississippi.

Generally, young people in 'creative' fields (those without trust funds or generous parents) attach themselves to older, wealthier persons, until they become established (which generally is NEVER). Just a suggestion...


________
And to answer the incoming questions: "What if the employer refused and/or cannot find anything for prospective employees?

How does Greenville / Greenwood differs from other towns like Harrisonburg/Roanoke/Charlottesville/Wilmington/New Bern/Altoona/Erie/Delmarva Peninsula/Hagerstown and other smaller cities?"



Well then, you contact a local realtor who handles rentals, or the local branch of your religious group or professional organization, send them video of yourself, along with an explanation of your situation, and ask them to look around for you. The experience with realtors can run from lousy - driving you around to big apartment complexes you could have found on your own - to excellent (finding that mother-in-law-suite off the carport of an expensive suburban home - the "hidden apartment" that would never be listed).


Honest discussion of why Greenwood/Greenville is different, is forbidden on virtually all Internet venues. But you might want to look at a few demographic maps of the US, and compare.

Last edited by GrandviewGloria; 10-23-2018 at 07:12 PM..
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-23-2018, 06:56 PM
 
17 posts, read 11,505 times
Reputation: 15
Reality TV shows does not tell you about a company. Reality TV is not really real and most of the individuals in that television program are no longer there. Most of the staff declined to answer serious question I have about the station that is neither found on the show “Breaking Greenville” nor on its website.

“As I said in an earlier post, your Employer is going to have to find something for you, if you want quiet, safe, and affordable. The best rental situations, except for the expensive ones, are HIDDEN - never advertised - which is the way it has to be, in Mississippi.”


What if the employer refused and/or cannot find anything for prospective employees?

How does Greenville / Greenwood differs from other towns like Harrisonburg/Roanoke/Charlottesville/Wilmington/New Bern/Altoona/Erie/Delmarva Peninsula/Hagerstown and other smaller cities?



Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandviewGloria View Post
This should give you a bit of insight regarding the station: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4262344/




In Greenville, this seems to be your only LISTED option, in your price range https://www.apartments.com/1548-smit...le-ms/1s75mp6/ Here it is, on GoogleMap, you can 'drive around', on your own. Looks like the Major Food Groups are all nearby. If you can't sleep, at least you won't starve: https://www.google.com/maps/place/15...!4d-91.0336449

As I said in an earlier post, your Employer is going to have to find something for you, if you want quiet, safe, and affordable. The best rental situations, except for the expensive ones, are HIDDEN - never advertised - which is the way it has to be, in Mississippi.

Generally, young people in 'creative' fields (those without trust funds or generous parents) attach themselves to older, wealthier persons, until they become established (which generally is NEVER). Just a suggestion...
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-23-2018, 09:41 PM
 
973 posts, read 1,014,030 times
Reputation: 1943
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnonymousPerson11 View Post

What if the employer refused and/or cannot find anything for prospective employees?

How does Greenville / Greenwood differs from other towns like Harrisonburg/Roanoke/Charlottesville/Wilmington/New Bern/Altoona/Erie/Delmarva Peninsula/Hagerstown and other smaller cities?
The employer will likely be of little help in finding a place to live.

Greenville and Greenwood are smaller and many times poorer than most of the aforementioned cities (I've visited Wilmington and New Bern several times). Crime in Greenwood and especially Greenville is likely much higher than any of those also. Additionally, there are few people coming into Delta communities (most who can are trying to leave), so not much new is happening. Outsiders can have a hard time fitting in. If you are the kind of person who is likable, outgoing and easily makes friends wherever you go, you will be fine anywhere, but if not, you may have a hard time breaking into those closed social circles.

The ranking of MS Delta cities:

1. (by a mile) Cleveland
2. Greenwood
3. Everywhere else

Anyone who has spent much time in the Delta should advise you to live in Greenwood over Greenville. Greenwood still has somewhat of an old south social structure of chivalry. Greenwood also still has some hometown local business leaders who want Greenwood to hold on to what little it has left and work to that end. Greenville is a dump with little hope.

I have no idea what rent is in either place, but I assume a decent one bedroom would be $800-$1,000/month? If you are covering news stories is there any type of car allowance?

Living on that budget would be tight, but I'm always up for an adventure and would be willing to try it. If possible try to talk mom or dad out of one of their credit cards for "emergencies."
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-24-2018, 06:52 AM
 
17 posts, read 11,505 times
Reputation: 15
The answer is no for car allowance or any type of allowance. What if one cannot get or isn’t qualified to get a credit card on their own simply for not having any credit despite having a clean credit record and the parents do not wish to lend credit card for emergencies due to concerns of how the money will be paid back? Will this salary put one in debt? Is Greenwood/Greenville good for someone seeking adventure, enjoys rock music, open to new ideas, interracial relationships and happiness?

Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre View Post
The employer will likely be of little help in finding a place to live.

Greenville and Greenwood are smaller and many times poorer than most of the aforementioned cities (I've visited Wilmington and New Bern several times). Crime in Greenwood and especially Greenville is likely much higher than any of those also. Additionally, there are few people coming into Delta communities (most who can are trying to leave), so not much new is happening. Outsiders can have a hard time fitting in. If you are the kind of person who is likable, outgoing and easily makes friends wherever you go, you will be fine anywhere, but if not, you may have a hard time breaking into those closed social circles.

The ranking of MS Delta cities:

1. (by a mile) Cleveland
2. Greenwood
3. Everywhere else

Anyone who has spent much time in the Delta should advise you to live in Greenwood over Greenville. Greenwood still has somewhat of an old south social structure of chivalry. Greenwood also still has some hometown local business leaders who want Greenwood to hold on to what little it has left and work to that end. Greenville is a dump with little hope.

I have no idea what rent is in either place, but I assume a decent one bedroom would be $800-$1,000/month? If you are covering news stories is there any type of car allowance?

Living on that budget would be tight, but I'm always up for an adventure and would be willing to try it. If possible try to talk mom or dad out of one of their credit cards for "emergencies."
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-24-2018, 07:36 AM
 
973 posts, read 1,014,030 times
Reputation: 1943
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnonymousPerson11 View Post

What if one cannot get or isn’t qualified to get a credit card on their own simply for not having any credit despite having a clean credit record and the parents do not wish to lend credit card for emergencies due to concerns of how the money will be paid back?

Plenty of people are in this situation, you will just have to figure it out as you go along

Will this salary put one in debt?

No, as you won't be able to get credit on such a small salary, so no need to worry about debt, you will be on a cash basis.


Is Greenwood/Greenville good for someone seeking adventure, enjoys rock music, open to new ideas, interracial relationships and happiness?

A big no to all of these. This the MS Delta, the poorest part of the US. Essentially a third world country. With all that, it will be what you make it. Go in with an open mind and a positive attitude. While young, make the most out of life, experience everything you can. Working for a media outlet, you sill get to meet a lot of people.
I say go for it, you don't have to stay forever.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-24-2018, 09:49 AM
 
17 posts, read 11,505 times
Reputation: 15
Then who is the Mississippi Delta - Greenville / Greenwood really for if not for college graduates and recent graduates? What is your experience like in Greenville/Greenwood and Mississippi Delta?
Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre View Post
I say go for it, you don't have to stay forever.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-24-2018, 03:32 PM
 
168 posts, read 141,206 times
Reputation: 359
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnonymousPerson11 View Post
Then who is the Mississippi Delta - Greenville / Greenwood really for if not for college graduates and recent graduates? What is your experience like in Greenville/Greenwood and Mississippi Delta?
How many times are you going to ask the same exact question? Greenville and Greenwood aren't "FOR" anyone.. They're both just once-thriving farming towns that are now impoverished with extremely high rates of unemployment and people that aren't contributing to society. The entire Delta is this way... Not exactly a place that anyone wants to visit unless they have to for work or to visit family that are still stuck.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Settings
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2020 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Mississippi

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2021, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top