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Old 07-29-2019, 11:08 AM
 
Location: North Jackson
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I am a Republican shill. So I accept your accusation.


I pointed out that Democrat legislators could not have done anything recently because they have all been voted out of office. Seemed like a reasonable point at the time, but if you would like to provide a list of recent Democrat contributions, I promise I will not respond.
Again, my request was to brickpatio2018, who generated a list of thing Republicans have done to hurt the state, but also said Democrats are just as bad. I am hoping he can generate a list of things Democrats have done to hurt the state, since they are "just as bad."
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Old 07-30-2019, 11:53 PM
 
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Okay, you did ask me that question. Honestly I wasn't sure people care about my political policy opinions that much, since mainly I was commenting on the most outrageous, absurd, and corrupt behaviors of the Mississippi Republicans (as opposed to on standard policy matters).

So heregoes. In a nutshell, my personal opinions regarding the Democrats, for one, are that they are dead wrong on how to attract business to the state, such as on tax rates.

And Democrats are tragically wrong (my personal opinion for anyone still reading this...) about how to improve educational results for our children.

On education, my opinion is that all organizations run by human beings (government, private for-profit, private non-profit) must face robust competition on a daily basis; otherwise, they sink into complacency, mediocrity, and sclerosis. With schools the same axiom applies, and government-run schools face zero competition. However, in situations where parents have a legitimate choice of any school (public, private, parochial, online, homeschool, etc), (and thus schools are fighting daily for their very existence), presto, they find a way to get creative and achieve incredible results for children who otherwise might "graduate" but with the math and reading skills of a 10 year old.

So while I think Mississippi Republicans are smarter on policy in principle in terms of delivering jobs and education, in practice Mississippi Republicans sink into sad and backwards positions such as the state flag; the bill which actually enshrines discrimination against LGBT Mississippians into law; and bizarre religious positions such as not being alone with women in the workplace. And frankly even on taxes and education reform, Mississippi Republicans have done very little compared to other states (e.g. TN, TX, FL have no income tax...and Florida among others with tons of competition and various school choices for parents).
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Old 07-31-2019, 11:20 AM
 
Location: North Jackson
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Brickpatio2018, thank you for replying.

I disagree with your comments, on two points.

First, you listed several things that actual Republican leadership had done to drive business away in this state. But you countered with no actual bad things that Democrats have done, instead mentioning your interpretation of their position. Republicans have had every opportunity to improve things in this state, with the governorship and the state Senate and house, yet has improved pretty much nothing tangible. Instead focusing their energies on things that drive businesses away, but do pander to their electorate.

You dislike the supposed Democrat platform, and are sure they will drive businesses away, yet that's exactly what the Republicans in Mississippi have done and continue to do, yet you give them your blessing (and presumably your vote). Either you're being disingenuous about why you vote Republican in Mississippi (and you really do like those things that Mississippi Republicans do), or you're not being fair and objective.

My second issue is with school choice and competition. You claim that areas with school competition have improved, but my (admittedly small) research had shown that definitely charter schools have not shown any consistent improvement - some do well, some do worse, some remain static, compared to what was there before. Where are these places with unfettered school competition that demonstrate marked improvement? I feel like if they existed, we all would know about them.

If competition means I get a voucher for 5000 to attend any school I want, yet every private school in the area is 20,000, then that choice didn't help me since u don't have 15,000 laying around. The voucher essentially became a 5000 discount for the parents who were going to use those private schools anyway. So nothing really changed, except the rich and upper middle got more money. OK...

So where is this true competition in play?

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Old 07-31-2019, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Jack-town, Sip by way of TN, AL and FL
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I would like to address a few things here:

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Mississippi's Republicans seem intent on propagating the state's banana republic status:

- preserving state flag... absurd in this day and time. And it can't, cannot... be good for business.

- passing legislation that actually enshrines into law legalized discrimination against Mississippians who are LGBT. Also not good for business as it reminds everyone that it's still 1962 for Mississippi Republicans.

- passing legislation that openly protects Republican donors in the... meat field... to protect Mississippians from very dangerous plants. Again, banana r...

- refusing to be alone with women in the work place per Billy Graham. Are they aware how much they sound Exactly like the ayatollahs in Iran...
These are all correct. I too wish the Republicans would quit pandering, and cut the above stuff out. Change the flag, get rid of any anti-freedom laws, and move on. I say this as a card-carrying Christian. Until people are free to make their own choices, you can't really do anything. Forcing and shaming does not help.

That said, the Republicans have actually been very good about economic development in this state, at least as far as legal, 'established' economic development. The list of successful companies that have invested in Mississippi is long. That said, most are manufacturing or advanced manufacturing. Those aren't bad, but we are missing out on the tech stuff....the innovation.

To do that, we have to think outside the box. We have to do things like legalize the herb, and so forth. We have to be on the cutting edge. We passed a lottery, that is good. We went out front with the casinos and sports betting, that was good.

Personally I don't think anyone in this state is championing that sort of thing very well, blue or red.

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On education, my opinion is that all organizations run by human beings (government, private for-profit, private non-profit) must face robust competition on a daily basis; otherwise, they sink into complacency, mediocrity, and sclerosis. With schools the same axiom applies, and government-run schools face zero competition. However, in situations where parents have a legitimate choice of any school (public, private, parochial, online, homeschool, etc), (and thus schools are fighting daily for their very existence), presto, they find a way to get creative and achieve incredible results for children who otherwise might "graduate" but with the math and reading skills of a 10 year old.
I sort of disagree on this. Government is not meant to compete, it's meant to regulate. Government-run transportation has been VERY good for this country, even with the pork projects. In general, it's based on math and science, and has done well. It's the safest system in the world.

I would argue that the government should have never been in the education business to begin with. But it is, so no use trying to fight it. Public schools now are just glorified day cares. Private schools, charter schools and home school groups are popping up everywhere. I'd say there's plenty of competition and there is a place for everybody. Public schools, like home schools, should be run with the kids in mind. Unfortunately, it hasn't been that way for a long time. The intent is to produce a work force, not innovation.
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