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Old 08-12-2019, 05:36 PM
 
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How dare those immigrants take our beloved chicken plant jobs. The nerve!
You kinda forgot about the identity theft and the tax fraud issues. How convenient of you.
They can take chicken jobs, there is a legal way for them to do this via a work visa process.
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Old 08-12-2019, 08:46 PM
 
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Please. If legal immigration were working effectively, the illegal immigrants wouldn't need to sneak in.

If we want our companies to grow so that we can all get raises and promotions, our companies must be able to fill the lower-end jobs. So unless American women are going to double their birth rates, we need immigrants.

If the government won't let enough in legally, then immigrants will sneak in, like water going down hill, because companies must either fill their jobs, close down, or leave the country.

Republican politicians know all this, but they are afraid to say it publicly because Republican voters don't want to hear why the country needs "all these Mexicans" coming in. Democrats know better also, but they don't want to solve the problem either because they benefit massively from having the Republicans branded as being prejudiced.

All this will change when Republicans are forced to market themselves to all racial groups, in order to have any chance of winning nationally. And that's about one or two elections away like it or not.
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Old 08-12-2019, 10:18 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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How dare those immigrants take our beloved chicken plant jobs. The nerve!
Would it be OK if one of 'em used your Social Security number?
I mean, they are using someone's. Why not yours?
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Old 08-12-2019, 10:41 PM
 
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The IRS article is beyond crazy - so the illegals even now make money for using stolen SS#s by getting back refunds and earned income credit for work they didn't even do! Add tax fraud to the list of crimes.
There is a ton of fraud - perpetrated by US citizens - associated with the earned income tax credit, the IRS knows it goes on and has known for 15 years, but will not persecute the fraud. Every now and then the State Tax Commission will take down a shady tax preparer who coordinates the scam, but the IRS does nothing.
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Old 08-13-2019, 01:40 AM
 
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I'm not a fan of the fraud etc, but I guess what I'm saying is that the original sin, that's leading to all the other problems, is the government's unwillingness to allow enough ways for immigrant workers to come in and fill positions so that US companies can grow.

Because of the government's refusal to fix the problem which could be done quite simply, it leads to immigrants having to sneak in to fill those positions etc. Ultimately the immigrants are doing us a favor by allowing our companies to stay open, stay in the US, and grow which benefits the rest of us.

They say for decades we had a program called the Bracero program, which allowed immigrants to work in the US but move back and forth maintaining their citizenship residence in Mexico, and during those decades illegal immigration was almost zero for much of the time. Just returning to that program they say would fix much of the problem but for political reasons neither party wants to solve the problem, because they win their primaries by either talking badly about immigrants or talking badly about the other party being prejudiced.
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Old 08-13-2019, 09:12 AM
 
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I'm not a fan of the fraud etc, but I guess what I'm saying is that the original sin, that's leading to all the other problems, is the government's unwillingness to allow enough ways for immigrant workers to come in and fill positions so that US companies can grow.

Because of the government's refusal to fix the problem which could be done quite simply, it leads to immigrants having to sneak in to fill those positions etc. Ultimately the immigrants are doing us a favor by allowing our companies to stay open, stay in the US, and grow which benefits the rest of us.

They say for decades we had a program called the Bracero program, which allowed immigrants to work in the US but move back and forth maintaining their citizenship residence in Mexico, and during those decades illegal immigration was almost zero for much of the time. Just returning to that program they say would fix much of the problem but for political reasons neither party wants to solve the problem, because they win their primaries by either talking badly about immigrants or talking badly about the other party being prejudiced.
That's a fair assessment. But there is still an H2 visa program for non-immigrant manual labor. Why it isn't used more I suspect is due to the companies not wanting to follow these regulations, the paperwork, the pay requirements, the safety requirements, etc.

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There is a ton of fraud - perpetrated by US citizens -....
Thank you but the topic is not US citizens thus not relevant.
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Old 08-13-2019, 05:46 PM
 
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If you start holding the owners of these companies responsible it would stop.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:02 PM
 
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I think I've read about the government visa program in the WSJ regarding why that doesn't take away the incentive for people to need to sneak into the country illegally.

If memory serves, it's something to do with it being virtually impossible for the government to attempt to continuously quantify, anticipate, and adjust certain numbers of visas for particular sets of occupations and skills. The array of needs in the economy is too vast and complicated and continuously changing. Plus the visa program is politicized, meaning that politicians have priorities other than meeting the needs of our employers who are trying to grow (e.g labor union favors to the Democrats, race-oriented pressures, and desire by political donors to block potential competition with their own companies).

I believe, but stand to be corrected, that the Bracero program with Mexico was not job or skill-specific, which meant that immigrant workers could come and go as long as they were employed, thereby removing the government bureaucrats and politicians as the middle men.
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Old 08-15-2019, 02:55 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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If you start holding the owners of these companies responsible it would stop.
It's pretty clear that that is not going to happen.
Once in a while some manager will get caught helping illegals, but not very often.
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Old 12-26-2019, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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A Catholic Cardinal from Guatemala came to visit migrants in Mississippi.
https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-us...-massive-raid/
FYI, some Guatemalans speak an Indian language instead of Spanish. The same is true for some Mexicans.
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