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Old 08-12-2019, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Every frequent poster knows what happened in MS last week, right?

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/08/74930...in-mississippi

https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-us...gration-raids/
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Old 08-12-2019, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Jack-town, Sip by way of TN, AL and FL
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I'm curious why they chose to do this in Mississippi. I can speculate but who knows the truth.

Regardless of how you feel about immigration, many of those people had been here for over a decade. At some point, don't you just have to let it go? That said, there were an awful lot of falsified documents.
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Old 08-12-2019, 11:09 AM
 
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The reason for these MS plants is that they were under federal investigation for some time, informants and electronic monitoring involved - this was a long time in planning. It really was blatant disregard for laws (by both the plant and the illegals). Some of the illegals already had ankle bracelet monitoring devices.

Regardless of how you feel about immigration - the U.S. is a nation of laws and thus they were breaking the law. If one disagrees - the solution is to change the laws, not ignore the law. What happens to these illegals now? They said 30 were released immediately on "humanitarian grounds" , and the rest processed by ICE and released the same or following day with once again a court order to appear in court in line with due process (which undoubtedly, will be ignored by the majority).

These raids are not unique and are actually quite common, it just happens to be the largest in a decade or so and gets publicity because it's a political issue now.
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Old 08-12-2019, 12:49 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Every one of those people was using someone else's Social Security number.
The victims will not know until the IRS tries to collect taxes for money made on that "other job". Does the IRS care? .... No, they don't. As long as a number is used and taxes are paid, they have "done their job".
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......We also learned the IRS ignores notifications from the Social Security Administration that a name does not match a Social Security number, and you use your own system to determine whether a number is valid."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertw.../#39b492214c04


So there is a real victim - someone who is a US citizen - in each of these cases.
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Old 08-12-2019, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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I think the immigrants are just pawns and scapegoats. We know the companies hire them because they work for less money. And one of the raided companies is having a job fair.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/us/ko...ppi/index.html
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Old 08-12-2019, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Jack-town, Sip by way of TN, AL and FL
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I think the immigrants are just pawns and scapegoats. We know the companies hire them because they work for less money. And one of the raided companies is having a job fair.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/us/ko...ppi/index.html
Yep. If the companies would not hire them, they would not come. Nobody else would work for that salary.

But it goes back to NAFTA. The companies that hire illegals are not dissimilar from the ones that packed up and went to Mexico in the first place.

There is blame on both sides.
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Old 08-12-2019, 01:32 PM
 
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Regarding the companies - absolutely agree, clearly they are hiring illegals so they don't have to pay a fair salary to Americans.
I am told it's very difficult to prosecute these companies because they just say the illegals were using stolen IDs. The article says they use E-verify so that is possible...they got these SS#'s from somewhere...but, come on, the company obviously knew. You have a plant full of latinos in MS it's kind of obvious.

The IRS article is beyond crazy - so the illegals even now make money for using stolen SS#s by getting back refunds and earned income credit for work they didn't even do! Add tax fraud to the list of crimes.
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Old 08-12-2019, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Jack-town, Sip by way of TN, AL and FL
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Regarding the companies - absolutely agree, clearly they are hiring illegals so they don't have to pay a fair salary to Americans.
I am told it's very difficult to prosecute these companies because they just say the illegals were using stolen IDs. The article says they use E-verify so that is possible...they got these SS#'s from somewhere...but, come on, the company obviously knew. You have a plant full of latinos in MS it's kind of obvious.
Plausible deniability, willful ignorance, etc. It works until it doesn't.

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The IRS article is beyond crazy - so the illegals even now make money for using stolen SS#s by getting back refunds and earned income credit for work they didn't even do! Add tax fraud to the list of crimes.
Yep they are certainly not blameless victims.
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:41 PM
 
Location: 78745
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Actually I thought it was ridiculous the Feds didn't go after the CEO's and the managers of that company that hired them. If they had not have hired them, they never would have worked there. If anybody should be in jail it's the ones who did the hiring and their superiors all the way up to the top. I'm having a hard time trying to wrap my head around why they are not in jail.
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:43 PM
 
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How dare those immigrants take our beloved chicken plant jobs. The nerve!
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