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Old 06-16-2021, 12:01 AM
 
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Jumping in late here, but it highly varies across the state and depends on which flavor of liberal. "Liberal" can mean lots of things. Socially liberal? Fiscally liberal? Both?

And even within those categories, there are sub-categories. Atheist vs Religious? Christian vs. all other Religions? LGBTQ? Abortion? Guns? Welfare/government programs vs. anti-tax? Public education vs. private/vouchers? Environment vs. corporations? Right-to-work vs. union? Black lives vs "all lives"? Crunchy hippie vs. modern artificial? Young earth vs. evolution? Worker vs. corporation?

In Mississippi, you could have a militantly homophobic Black Lives Matter activist with a handgun carry permit and a union card. It's all on the table.

My part of the state (red clay hills) is a very rural area that is very conservative. They fall on the conservative side of every choice above. They strictly listen to either religious or conservative radio (or TV), and believe whatever the voices on the magic box tells them. Ironically, even though almost all are blue-collar, they believe that allowing multi-millionaires to keep more money is better for blue-collar workers because that's what the voices say.

Personally, I'm moderate but lean conservative (pro-2A, etc.). But I also insist on facts and the truth, and I'm a big believer in democracy. Therefore I despise Trump and his flock of sycophants and voted Democrat for the first time in my life last fall. And therefore some (most) of my family and friends think I'm a flaming liberal. A real liberal wouldn't stand a chance.

I'm seriously debating whether to move back home when I retire in a few years. A major even-decade high school reunion is coming up, and I'm going to be in-state that weekend. I probably won't go because the confirmed attendee list is a who's-who of the most extremist posters on my Facebook feed. I'm a very friendly person and get along with most people, but I'm honestly worried that someone could just openly announce that I voted for Biden and I end up with slashed tires.

A liberal would not do well living in that area.

But that's just my area. Other parts are more open-minded and modern. Up around Memphis, near one of the three major colleges, or the Coast would be your best bets.
Do you split your time between Chattanooga and Mississippi ?

It's not everyone's cup of tea but, IMO, the Chattanooga metro is a gem.

In addition to many other places, I've been to about 90% of the cities in the U.S. with a population of 100k or more.

If I moved out of Texas, the only places I would likely consider moving to (as a main place of residence) are the Chattanooga metro, the Tampa Bay metro, the Las Vegas metro, and a few places in Washington state (I'm a California native).
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Old 06-16-2021, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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Are you trying to imply that black people would be less inviting to the lgbtq community than mississippi whites would? Are you kidding?
I most definitely am not implying that they would be less inviting than whites. But I have seen plenty of (anecdotal) evidence that they are not more inviting than whites, at least within certain groups. Which in Mississippi can be quite uninviting.

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Old 06-16-2021, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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This is a result of national politics and generalizations, and is specifically related to the entirety of this thread. Most people try to lump everyone else into groups. People see entire states as homogenous blocks, but that cannot be farther from the truth.

There are lots of "liberals" in Mississippi, and more Californians voted for Trump (over 6 million) than there are people total in Mississippi (less than 3 million).

My earlier response to the OP was with regards to my home county, which is one of the darker red counties in this map. But there are plenty of light red and even blue counties across the state. Which brings us back to the first question I asked in my response... Some of those blue areas are blue because a specific group voted a certain way. That specific group may or may not welcome a liberal who is LGBTQ, or socialist, or a hippie.


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There's a sliding scale of different types of blue voters based on age & background. I suspect the same for a specific group that vote red.

Do people ever look at their state's politic map based on governor election before presidential ones?
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Old 06-16-2021, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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Do you split your time between Chattanooga and Mississippi ?
It's not everyone's cup of tea but, IMO, the Chattanooga metro is a gem.
If I moved out of Texas, the only places I would likely consider moving to (as a main place of residence) are the Chattanooga metro, the Tampa Bay metro, the Las Vegas metro, and a few places in Washington state (I'm a California native).
Not really "split", but I do travel home several times a year and I keep up with local and state politics and goings-on. I follow the social media feeds of all elected officials who represent my parents and other family. I've always planned to retire back home, and the fact that Mississippi legislature finally joined the 21st century and started funding rural broadband makes that actually possible now. I'm looking forward to the day I no longer need a cell booster with an antenna mounted to my parents' roof to communicate with the outside world. I like to think me constantly bugging the local state rep (classmate of my brother) with articles on rural broadband had something to do with getting it done, but that may be a bit prideful.

That said, Chattanooga is by far the best place I've lived, and well up in the top of the places I've visited. Best internet in the country with plenty of big-city amenities while not actually a big city. Absolutely tops if you like spending time outdoors (hiking, biking, water, etc.).
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Old 06-16-2021, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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There's a sliding scale of different types of blue voters based on age & background. I suspect the same for a specific group that vote red.
Not exactly. Yes, there is enormous variety of opinions in the "blue" voting block because they represent a more diverse group and because "liberal" means completely different things when comparing social vs. fiscal topics.

And the variety extends down the scale into the purple and light red voters.

But once you get into the darker red, down to about the most conservative 20-25% of the US population (30-35% of Mississippi), the scale stops sliding. Once into that group everyone thinks and votes in lock-step. Social, fiscal, whatever. They believe whatever Carlson, Hannity, or the voices on Supertalk Mississippi tell them to believe.

That group has never and will never be the "silent majority" they think they are. But because they are a solid block who think and vote in unison while everyone else is divided by their diversity, they are the largest plurality of voters in Mississippi, and arguably the largest in the USA.
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Old 06-17-2021, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas, USA
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I love how those on the left think THEY are a diverse group and the red voters all think the same and mindlessly listen to Fox News.


To be honest, I know people on both sides that do this.


I also know of many right leaning people (that vote red) that do not care if gays get married and want pot legalized.
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Old 06-18-2021, 03:22 PM
 
Location: North Jackson
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I also know of many right leaning people (that vote red) that do not care if gays get married and want pot legalized.
Then what are the issues that cause then to vote red?

And btw, if they say they don't care if gays get married, but repeatedly vote for people that loudly say they will stop gays from marrying, how can I interpret that in any other way other than they agree with the politician they vote for?
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Old 06-18-2021, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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To be honest, I know people on both sides that do this.
Probably you do, but this is a much smaller group. I know someone who was constantly quoting Maddow, going along with almost everything she said (Rachel Maddow also has a court order allowing her to lie on TV because hers is an "opinion show" and not "news"). Except for anything to do with Israel. She was a Jewish immigrant from Russia, and always took a hard-right stance on anything related to her ancestral homeland. Palestinians were all dogs as far as she was concerned. Which goes right along with what I said... she was a mix. I don't know of a single person, outside of caricatures on TV (think the show Portlandia) who goes hard left on every possible topic. I know several people who go hard right on every issue.

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I also know of many right leaning people (that vote red) that do not care if gays get married and want pot legalized.
Those types of people are the lighter reds I mentioned.

And again, the majority of people, even in Mississippi, are not in that dark red category.
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Old 06-19-2021, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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This is a result of national politics and generalizations, and is specifically related to the entirety of this thread. Most people try to lump everyone else into groups. People see entire states as homogenous blocks, but that cannot be farther from the truth.

There are lots of "liberals" in Mississippi, and more Californians voted for Trump (over 6 million) than there are people total in Mississippi (less than 3 million).

My earlier response to the OP was with regards to my home county, which is one of the darker red counties in this map. But there are plenty of light red and even blue counties across the state. Which brings us back to the first question I asked in my response... Some of those blue areas are blue because a specific group voted a certain way. That specific group may or may not welcome a liberal who is LGBTQ, or socialist, or a hippie.


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Looking at that map it is obvious that the Delta is majority of Black voters who vote Democrat but may or may not be on the exact same page with your typical white "liberal" on some issues. So the experience of a "liberal" in MS would certainly be different in some areas of the state as compared to others.
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Old 06-19-2021, 10:10 AM
 
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The rural counties in Mississippi that are majority white by a considerable margin are the most Republican, regardless of income. These are typically in the “hill country” of east Mississippi and the Piney Woods of the Southern part of the state. Their wealthy families are typically large landowners involved in the timber, cattle, poultry, and oil (yes, there is a little oil in Mississippi) business. Some of them are also attorneys or doctors.
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