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Old 07-12-2022, 01:38 PM
 
Location: California
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I think it makes perfect sense.
Up to a certain point but when it comes to LIFE things are not cut and dried. Religion aside, it's a very controversial issue and a ruling from a court 50 years ago clearly didn't change that. "My body my choice" is just an offshoot of "I do what I want, when I want, where I want" and while some people do support that idea most people don't because society wouldn't survive.
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Old 07-12-2022, 02:17 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Up to a certain point but when it comes to LIFE things are not cut and dried. Religion aside, it's a very controversial issue and a ruling from a court 50 years ago clearly didn't change that. "My body my choice" is just an offshoot of "I do what I want, when I want, where I want" and while some people do support that idea most people don't because society wouldn't survive.
The problem with "my body, my choice", is, exactly when it is no longer "my body, my choice" but becomes "someone else's body, no longer my choice".
So "My body, my choice" clearly has an expiration date. The debate should be when that date occurs. I think the morning after is a good start. It prevents 95% of pregnancies and is available everywhere without prescription. Cost $49.95.
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Old 07-12-2022, 08:57 PM
 
Location: PNW, CPSouth, JacksonHole, Southampton
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Considering that Mississippi is a state where private schools are a must, I'm incredulous that lawmakers think that pandering to the Hateful Right is going to win them votes. (possibly, though, that's not what all this posturing is about. Possibly, Governor Sundayschoolteacher, and the rest of the quislings, are doing what Republicans have been instructed to do: STOP THE RED WAVE - stop winning elections)

Mississippians limit the size of their families, to the number of children they can send to private schools. Young men who cannot envision making the kind of money it takes, to pay for private Pre-K through College, get themselves sterilized (if they're stuck in Mississippi). Or, if they're bisexual, they wisely avoid dating and marriage, and play for the team that's free of predatory females looking for babydaddies to enslave with Child Support. That's a huge thing, in Mississippi (men feel safe confiding in me, and plenty regret NOT switching teams, before it was too late). Later, those guys who DID switch in time, join the throngs of people leaving the state, when it becomes apparent that single gentlemen do better, professionally and socially, in far-distant parts of the nation. More Brain Drain...

An extra child, can mean the difference between sending the kids to a private school for and by neurotic and marginalized segments of society, or sending them to one populated and run by the smart and privileged. An extra child can be a life-ruining thing - both for parents and for the siblings of the extra child. The extra child won't be doing so great, either. After all, he'll be part of a cash-strapped family, whose prospects have been reduced.

To put it in Delta terms, an extra child is the difference between sending the kids to "The Christian School", and sending them to 'The Washington School'.

Even more horrific to contemplate, is that excess offspring can mean having to send the kids to public schools. That's survivable, if you're in Madison. We lucked-up, in that regard, and reached Critical Mass, financially, because of the money we were able to invest, rather than spend on having the kids finish at Saint Andrew's. But most people don't live in Madison. And things are not as golden as they were, when our kids were there. It's not "90210", anymore - school-wise, at least.

Yes, Middle Class people can still go to other states, for procedures. And Upper Middle Class folk (including the wives and daughters of the righteous posturing politicos) will still have their doctors quietly take care of things. After all, who's going to arrange for Senate Page positions for the doc's kids, and who's going to write those glowing law school recommendations, if not those well-placed friends for whom one does favors?

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Old 07-12-2022, 10:10 PM
 
Location: 78745
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Considering that Mississippi is a state where private schools are a must, I'm incredulous that lawmakers think that pandering to the Hateful Right is going to win them votes. (possibly, though, that's not what all this posturing is about. Possibly, Governor Sundayschoolteacher, and the rest of the quislings, are doing what Republicans have been instructed to do: STOP THE RED WAVE - stop winning elections)

Mississippians limit the size of their families, to the number of children they can send to private schools. Young men who cannot envision making the kind of money it takes, to pay for private Pre-K through College, get themselves sterilized (if they're stuck in Mississippi). Or, if they're bisexual, they wisely avoid dating and marriage, and play for the team that's free of predatory females looking for babydaddies to enslave with Child Support. That's a huge thing, in Mississippi (men feel safe confiding in me, and plenty regret NOT switching teams, before it was too late). Later, those guys who DID switch in time, join the throngs of people leaving the state, when it becomes apparent that single gentlemen do better, professionally and socially, in far-distant parts of the nation. More Brain Drain...

An extra child, can mean the difference between sending the kids to a private school for and by neurotic and marginalized segments of society, or sending them to one populated and run by the smart and privileged. An extra child can be a life-ruining thing - both for parents and for the siblings of the extra child. The extra child won't be doing so great, either. After all, he'll be part of a cash-strapped family, whose prospects have been reduced.

To put it in Delta terms, an extra child is the difference between sending the kids to "The Christian School", and sending them to 'The Washington School'.

Even more horrific to contemplate, is that excess offspring can mean having to send the kids to public schools. That's survivable, if you're in Madison. We lucked-up, in that regard, and reached Critical Mass, financially, because of the money we were able to invest, rather than spend on having the kids finish at Saint Andrew's. But most people don't live in Madison. And things are not as golden as they were, when our kids were there. It's not "90210", anymore - school-wise, at least.

Yes, Middle Class people can still go to other states, for procedures. And Upper Middle Class folk (including the wives and daughters of the righteous posturing politicos) will still have their doctors quietly take care of things. After all, who's going to arrange for Senate Page positions for the doc's kids, and who's going to write those glowing law school recommendations, if not those well-placed friends for whom one does favors?
That's hilarious. It's one of the funniest things I've read on C-D Forum, if not the funniest. Thanks for posting it. It gave me a good laugh.

Grandview Gloria, You never do disappoint.
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Old 07-13-2022, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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The problem with "my body, my choice", is, exactly when it is no longer "my body, my choice" but becomes "someone else's body, no longer my choice".
So "My body, my choice" clearly has an expiration date. The debate should be when that date occurs. I think the morning after is a good start. It prevents 95% of pregnancies and is available everywhere without prescription. Cost $49.95.
This is exactly the debate we should be having. The vast majority of people, even in Mississippi, believe in "choice" to a point, but when is that point? With the recent SCOTUS decision, that decision will be state-by-state, so Mississippi will have to set that point.

The answer lies somewhere on the spectrum of time starting with a single cell floating freely in a woman's body and ending when the baby takes its first breath. At some point the new life is awarded the full benefits and rights of being human. Before that point it should be a woman's "personal choice". After that point, it isn't "personal choice" because now two people are involved.

Extremists (currently passing laws in Mississippi) on one end of the spectrum believe that point is conception/fertilization of the egg. The egg hasn't implanted and she isn't even pregnant yet, but that embryo has a full human soul, and nothing should interfere with it. They would outlaw your "morning-after" pill, IUDs, or any other drug or device that interfere with implantation. Their next goal is outlawing IVF. Two biproducts of IVF procedures are "unsuitable" embryos that are simply discarded (i.e., "murdered" in the eyes of some), and suitable embryos that are frozen for later use them maybe never used.

Extremists on the other end believe that point is first breath. I could go on for paragraphs as to why this would be a bad idea, I don't think I need to do that for this audience.

The SCOTUS Roe v Wade decision set the "point" to the same as it had been set for centuries: when the fetus "quickens" and/or is considered viable. The decision simply said that before that point it was a private matter between the woman and her doctor, and after that point individual states can regulate as they see fit.

We all know where current Mississippi politicians have set the point. But will they set it so early that it will cause voters to choose a new slate of politicians?
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Old 07-13-2022, 02:15 PM
 
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"My body my choice" is just an offshoot of "I do what I want, when I want, where I want"
Disagree that it is an offshoot. You are pulling at strings.

It is a woman's choice. We are able to make a decisions.

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Old 09-13-2022, 06:05 AM
 
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In the end, none of that matters. Who gets one, why they get one, what happens afterwards...

Bottom line, "My body, My choice".
Excatly, but it is the preborn's body.
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